Twigman Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) Promoters..... they don't lsten to sh*t do they? They screw up bookings, complain about the price of flights, forget to book the luggage allowance, screw up hotel bookings, complain about how much everything is costing them...etc etc IF YOU'D ACTUALLY READ AND UNDERSTOOD OUR TERMS OF ENGAGEMENT THEN YOU WOULD'VE GOT IT RIGHT FIRST TIME AND NOT HAD TO FORK OUT FOR CHANGES BECAUSE YOU WERE BEING TOO MUCH OF A CHEAPSKATE TO DO IT PROPERLY IN THE FIRST PLACE. They really are a bunch of crooks, aren't they? They come to us and ask us to play for them. We communicate our T&Cs. They accept those T&Cs They then take every shortcut in the book in an effort to do it on the cheap. We then point out that those weren't the T&Cs. They start crying about how much it's costing and that to change stuff will cost them more. Well you should have done ot properly in the first place, shouldn't you Arthur Daley! and as for whining about how much it's costing then perhaps you should put a bit more effort into the promotion and getting the punters through the door. God I hate promoters... Edited January 15, 2016 by Twigman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Bad day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 C'mon, tell us what you [i]really[/i] think. None of this fence-sitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted January 15, 2016 Author Share Posted January 15, 2016 and promoters I'd just like to point out that putting us on is never going to make you, me or anyone else rich..... and Mr Promoter, you think you're not making enough? - put yourself in my shoes, buddy, you cheapskate - we have to put up with shitforbrains like you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taunton-hobbit Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I've been on both sides of this - tell you what, put on your own gigs, at your own expense (that's real money - yours, not mine) and see how it works out.....(& b r e a t h e ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger2611 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 So I am guessing you don 't like promoters then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 [quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1452882166' post='2954469'] and promoters I'd just like to point out that putting us on is never going to make you, me or anyone else rich..... and Mr Promoter, you think you're not making enough? - put yourself in my shoes, buddy, you cheapskate - we have to put up with shitforbrains like you! [/quote] Not really selling the act to a promoter here..?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBass Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 [quote name='taunton-hobbit' timestamp='1452882686' post='2954475'] I've been on both sides of this - tell you what, put on your own gigs, at your own expense (that's real money - yours, not mine) and see how it works out.....(& b r e a t h e ) [/quote] Done that, and I was more successful than the promoters I'd previously worked with. It isn't easy but it isn't hard either. It's all about being organised and planning ahead. Sadly most "Promoters" don't understand their job fully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I am a promoter. Www.jazzeast.vpweb.co.uk When an artist appears, they get an agreed fee. The sidemen get an agreed fee. I get nothing. Not all promotion has a profit motive. Sometimes it is simply about advocacy and avoiding a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonBassAlpha Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I think it's on a slightly different scale Bilbo - you're not flying in artists from abroad (and all that entails) to put on a big rock show that costs real bucks to put on. I think what you do is great though and kudos for doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) If a promoter neglects to book our 100kg luggage allowance with our flights (seats only it seems) (at ungodly hours) then how does he expect us to bring our instruments? Never mind the proposal to fly from Gatwick and return to Heathrow...so how the f*** am I supposed to collect my car from Gatwick? or will he front the £90 odd quid taxi ride to Gatwick and the £70 odd ride home from Heathrow? (for each of us) No...thought not (normal plan is car share to airport and pay in advance for long stay) Why would he think providing 2 twins and 1 single would be acceptable when we quite clearly stated 5 singles were non-negotiable? He begged us to go play.... It's not rocket science. Promoters: LEARN TO READ If we get there I wonder how far the backline will be from the specification on the tech rider? This doesn't bode well. Unprofessional is the kindest way to put it. Doesn't this ever happen to you guys? Those of you who've been promoters please feel free to explain the behaviour of this particular dude. Edited January 16, 2016 by Twigman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 [quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1452883670' post='2954485'] Not really selling the act to a promoter here..?? [/quote] Most of the promoters we deal with do a great job, have obviously read our T&Cs - there's often a problem with the tech rider but that might be local availability issues...but this current dude - never played in portugal before so new promoter.....he hasn't a clue what he's doing, it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismanbass Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 [quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1452907186' post='2954734'] Most of the promoters we deal with do a great job, have obviously read our T&Cs - there's often a problem with the tech rider but that might be local availability issues...but this current dude - never played in portugal before so new promoter.....he hasn't a clue what he's doing, it seems. [/quote] twigman would you mind PMing me the promoters name as i have a suspicion i know who it is and it isn't the first time its happened cheers chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truckstop Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Is it me? It's me, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 [quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1452879036' post='2954418'] Well you should have done ot properly in the first place, shouldn't you Arthur Daley! [/quote] I'm appalled at the name-and-shame culture here on BC, with all the wild accusations without evidence. The very least you could've done was to make this person anonymous, or even use a generic name... like say... er... George Cole or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 [quote name='taunton-hobbit' timestamp='1452882686' post='2954475'] I've been on both sides of this - tell you what, put on your own gigs, at your own expense (that's real money - yours, not mine) and see how it works out.....(& b r e a t h e ) [/quote] Yes, if you don't like others doing it then do it yourself. Which is in fact exactly how many promoters get started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Probably not much help but I think National Express run a coach service between Heathrow & Gatwick for about £25. Not sure how late this service runs though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 [quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1452907186' post='2954734'] Most of the promoters we deal with do a great job, have obviously read our T&Cs - there's often a problem with the tech rider but that might be local availability issues...but this current dude - never played in portugal before so new promoter.....he hasn't a clue what he's doing, it seems. [/quote] Recommendations are everything... Does he have a CV of acts he has booked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twigman Posted January 17, 2016 Author Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Cato' timestamp='1452943267' post='2954890'] Probably not much help but I think National Express run a coach service between Heathrow & Gatwick for about £25. Not sure how late this service runs though. [/quote] Missing the point. We have rejected the out from Gatwick back to Heathrow proposal. If he wants us to come and play these gigs for him he has to fork out to change the flights. Not our problem. He should've read and understood the T&Cs he agreed to before he tried to make short cuts. And don't then cry about how much it's going to cost. Why would anyone think they could get away with that? Edited January 17, 2016 by Twigman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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