Mykesbass Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='operative451' timestamp='1455618623' post='2980667'] I sort of feel sorry for liverpool actually - its a microcosm of the general british 'hey, remember in the past when we did something good?' er, no, i wasn't born and neither were you..? Do a new thing, liverpool! [/quote] I do wish sometimes I could shake off the old woolly liberal shroud and say stuff like this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='operative451' timestamp='1455618623' post='2980667'] 'proper' blues of the 'Disability-Fruit-Surname' variety [/quote] But don't be so narrowminded! It can be a vegetable as well! Oh, and extra points if <surname> is a former US president. [b]Blind Lemon Jefferson[/b] is a classic of course, one of many classics, and both Lemon and Jefferson were even his real names. I'm Slantin' Banana Clinton, but I can't explain that one without the help of... er... that woman... Miss Lew. Er... Liverpool. Grip. Beatles. Carry on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) Blue, I understand where you're coming from. As I said, there are many who have no idea of what the Beatles spearheaded in term of musical and cultural change, but you'll have a tough job changing many minds on here. "Just another band" wouldn't be generating the significant interest in Liverpool, and resultant jobs, that there is today, some 60 years after the event. That's unique and a measure of what the band achieved back then and still represents today. John Lennon might have called the Beatles "just a band". You can bet your life he didn't believe he was writing "just some songs". A usual he was just lashing out at McCartney. Edited February 16, 2016 by chris_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colgraff Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) [quote name='timmo' timestamp='1455620243' post='2980686'] I assume that many people have listened to Sgt Peppers as that was one of their best albums. I really can see why people would hate them after listening to that. Awful album. [/quote] +1 The Beatles in hippy phase were/are firmly banned from my record/cd/MP3 player. Still like their earlier stuff, but the later phase is a nono. Each to their own, though. Edited February 16, 2016 by colgraff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Interesting reading on the american side. What I have always suspected from what people who were there have told me about the beatles, they didn't start a revolution, they just arrived at the right time to capitalise on it. Aparently the same is true in the US: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11584335/The-Beatles-did-not-spark-a-musical-revolution-in-America.html And more significantly on people who moan about current music, How hip-hop has been the biggest revolution in popular music since the 50s: http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/music/news/a34831/hip-hop-beatles-rolling-stones-study/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 16, 2016 Author Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='timmo' timestamp='1455620243' post='2980686'] ... I guess Blue is right that you had to be there ... [/quote] That's exactly what he's wrong about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I'm from Nottingham and we still capitalise on Robin Hood, on that basis Liverpool have got another thousand years of tourist gold ahead of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefbaker Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1455591057' post='2980521'] I'm going to make it to Liverpool someday one way or the other. And when I get there I'm going to kiss the ground. [/quote] Having spent quite a bit of time in Liverpool I'd advise against it. Like a lot of the creative cities in England they were creative because they were sh*tholes with nothing else to do in. However it has been gentrified a bit now so maybe you'd catch less diseases doing it. Loads of Beatles stuff there and yes, The Beatles are pretty much unquestionably both the most important band of all time and probably the most important thing in Liverpool still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmo Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) [quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1455623281' post='2980730'] That's exactly what he's wrong about. [/quote] I agree. It shows the absurdity of the "you had to be there " comment. I wasn`t even born when The Small Faces called it a day. By saying that, it seems Blue is saying that the Beatles were only of a time period, I think he mistakes people not liking the Beatles as some sort of a personal affront for some reason.Like many people who are not Bealtes fans, they appreciate the legacy and what they did for pop music, but you don`t have to like them. I hate rap and hip hop, but can appreciate they have contributed a lot to music. I think I have strayed a long way from the original topic now Edited February 16, 2016 by timmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JellyKnees Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='operative451' timestamp='1455618623' post='2980667'] I sort of feel sorry for liverpool actually - its a microcosm of the general british 'hey, remember in the past when we did something good?' er, no, i wasn't born and neither were you..? Do a new thing, liverpool! [/quote] +1000 I've said it so many times before, but when I started going to gigs over the water in late 70s early 80s, there was none of this Beatles nostalgia crap, bands clearly wanted to created their own scene and they did... the bunnymen, wah heat, the teardrops, omd, frankie etc etc ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [i][size=5]Aaaaarghhh, noooooooooo! Not this AGAIN!![/size][/i] That is all. As you were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBerriff Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I first started visiting Liverpool in the 50s as a wide-eyed 5 year old, when my Grandfather was an immigration officer and took me with him around the docks. I was shocked by the decline that had set in by the mid 60s. I am once again a regular visitor as one off our daughters lives there. What I see is a city that has picked itself up enormously over the last 20 years. I cannot think of a day when we have walked through Albert Dock without seeing visitors with their SLR cameras, in or out of season. As previously said it is not all about the Beatles, but even Bob Dylan took time out to visit John Lennon's home. Personally I would rather visit the Tate or the Walker art galleries, but you cannot unlink a city from its heritage. The city still has a hard edge but it is moving forward, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1455538558' post='2979927'] BTW, did you know that Jimmy Tarbuck was in John Lennons class at school? [/quote] Who's John Lennon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 He was a bloke in Jimmy Tarbuck's class at school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='JellyKnees' timestamp='1455625809' post='2980781'] +1000 I've said it so many times before, but when I started going to gigs over the water in late 70s early 80s, there was none of this Beatles nostalgia crap, bands clearly wanted to created their own scene and they did... the bunnymen, wah heat, the teardrops, omd, frankie etc etc ... [/quote] Me too - we weren't interested in our Dad's music, we wanted our own. So we'd make the pilgrimage from Chester to Erics, and watched all sorts of oddness from Pink Military to the Mighty Flock Of Seagulls, Big in Japan to Those Naughty Lumps. Rock'n'Roll was/is/should be about newness, rawness and individuality even if you're wearing the same clothes as the rest of your tribe. S'not about living in the past, but living for now and being yourself! Or maybe it's not... Maybe it's about product, or about re-living the glory days of your youth - depending on your perspective! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicko Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 I haven't spent much time in Liverpool, but it must be very sad to live in a place that is so caught up in its past, or more accurately one aspect of its past. It was a great trading city with a people full of humour but who have a reputation of being a little bit, erm emotional. There a few other places in the UK that are known for such a narrow slice of their past. As far as I know there is no tribute to the Rolling Stones in Dartford, there isn't a huge number of roundals in Woking, and I'm not sure theres many punks left on the Kings Road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charic Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1455591057' post='2980521'] I'm going to make it to Liverpool someday one way or the other. And when I get there I'm going to kiss the ground. Blue [/quote] I really wouldn't advise that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1455591751' post='2980526'] I like this post, it just makes sense. Blue [/quote] True - preferring the Stones makes a LOT of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Stu Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='4stringslow' timestamp='1455579021' post='2980488']Perhaps it's a cultural thing [/quote] Hopefully - when I did this painting I used gen-yoo-ine River Mersey water. A friend of mine in NYC said it was a genius idea and to quote him "those crazy yanks will love it". Now I'm still working out how best to flog it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RhysP Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1455641436' post='2981018'] Hopefully - when I did this painting I used gen-yoo-ine River Mersey water. A friend of mine in NYC said it was a genius idea and to quote him "those crazy yanks will love it". Now I'm still working out how best to flog it. [/quote] That's definitely Mersey river water - I'd recognise that shade of brown anywhere.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohn Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='Nicko' timestamp='1455639960' post='2980992'] I haven't spent much time in Liverpool, but it must be very sad to live in a place that is so caught up in its past, or more accurately one aspect of its past. It was a great trading city with a people full of humour but who have a reputation of being a little bit, erm emotional. There a few other places in the UK that are known for such a narrow slice of their past. As far as I know there is no tribute to the Rolling Stones in Dartford, there isn't a huge number of roundals in Woking, and I'm not sure theres many punks left on the Kings Road. [/quote] I grew up there. It's not caught up in the past any more than anywhere else to be fair. It's just the same as people coming to London to go to Tussauds or the Tower or whatever. You don't notice less when you live there than you notice adverts for musicals on the Tube in London. Much like London, there are plenty of other reasons to visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) [quote name='bigjohn' timestamp='1455647175' post='2981121'] I grew up there. It's not caught up in the past any more than anywhere else to be fair. It's just the same as people coming to London to go to Tussauds or the Tower or whatever. You don't notice less when you live there than you notice adverts for musicals on the Tube in London. Much like London, there are plenty of other reasons to visit. [/quote] In some ways there's a drive for Liverpool (or any other place known for a particular part of its history) not to catch up. The visitors who come to see Liverpool because of the Beatles don't want contemporary Liverpool, they want the Liverpool they've seen from the 60's. It's all very hyperreal. People who know it through channels other than the Fab Four don't see the 'Beatles Liverpool' that visitors do - like you say, bigjohn, posters on the Tube - nice analogy. Edited February 16, 2016 by ahpook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicko Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 [quote name='bigjohn' timestamp='1455647175' post='2981121'] I grew up there. It's not caught up in the past any more than anywhere else to be fair. It's just the same as people coming to London to go to Tussauds or the Tower or whatever. You don't notice less when you live there than you notice adverts for musicals on the Tube in London. Much like London, there are plenty of other reasons to visit. [/quote] I hope you are right, but the article in the OP suggests otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No lust in Jazz Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Should have been titled 'How Liverpool still grips the Beatles' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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