PaulWarning Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 probably the easiest member to replace in any band is the rhythm guitarist, 10 a penny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameronj279 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 [quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1455735404' post='2981975'] probably the easiest member to replace in any band is the rhythm guitarist, 10 a penny [/quote] This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerstodge Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 That's why it's always good to have a leader as what he says goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Bad ones 10 a penny , good ones not so much But he's a bad one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number6 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 If there is no leader how do you know you're not in his band rather than him in yours? #JustSaying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) My job in my band is to play the best bass lines that compliment the songs we play, sing background vocals and maintain a certain level of stage presence. I was not hired to critique or correct other members playing ability. As long as our calender is filled with good gigs I keep quiet. Blue Edited February 17, 2016 by blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharkboy Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1455740068' post='2982046'] My job in my band is to play the best bass lines that compliment the songs we play, sing background vocals and maintain a certain level of stage presence. I was not hired to critique or correct other members playing ability. As long as our calender is filled with good gigs I keep quiet. Blue [/quote] A fair point, but how much longer will your calendar be filled with good gigs should you stop doing that job? A band has to be more than a collection of individuals who happen to be playing the same song at the same time. Well, the good ones, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 One guitar bands are more fun. Get your Jack Bruce on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatwull Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Use his phone and book guitar tutors to come to his house, a different one every night for a week.... Secretly get another guitarist and keep telling him there are no gigs this month... Or tell him the gig is in another place from your gig with new guitarist.... Pay random strangers a fiver to tell him at gigs that he's sh*t.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) [quote name='sharkboy' timestamp='1455741939' post='2982080'] A fair point, but how much longer will your calendar be filled with good gigs should you stop doing that job? A band has to be more than a collection of individuals who happen to be playing the same song at the same time. Well, the good ones, at least. [/quote] I agree in principle. However, it's a business and at the bar band level the term "good bands" is relative. As you know not all punters are uninformed with low expectations. My point,some of the best bands in Milwaukee can't get gigs and some of the worse bands are booked solid. Blue Edited February 18, 2016 by blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4stringslow Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Seems to me that playing music for a living must be a pretty crappy job, especially at the 'bar band' level - churning out the same old covers night after night to uninformed punters with low expectations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburstjazz1967 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottomE Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 The reaction you get is sometimes to the way that the criticism is expressed. Framing constructive opinion in a different way can get other outcomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I'd give them their marching orders fairly pronto - any band is only ever as good as its weakest member. Unless he's getting all the bookings/has his own fan club of thousands who regularly turn up to gigs and drink the place dry/etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 If he really can't hear what he's doing wrong and has a tin ear, there's not much you can do about that and he should go. If he can hear what he's doing wrong but continues to do it anyway because he can't take criticism, there's not much you can do about that and he should go. You can't teach people who don't want to be taught. In my view he doesn't have the ability, the nous, the social skills or the maturity necessary to work well in a proper band. Did I say he should go? If you carry on you'll get more and more frustrated. Better to do something about it sooner rather than later. Easier said than done, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) [quote name='4stringslow' timestamp='1455744278' post='2982113'] Seems to me that playing music for a living must be a pretty crappy job, especially at the 'bar band' level - churning out the same old covers night after night to uninformed punters with low expectations [/quote] That might be the experience for some, But not me. This was my calling,not a choice. I work with smart,honest, realistic,trustworty bandmates. They been together for over 10 years, I've been with them for 5 years. 1.We have a respectfull size following of all types of music lovers from the 70s.Far from uniformed.Many of them follow us from 1 show to the next. 2. We don't grind out the same covers every night.We have about 80 songs to choose from. Mostly classic,hard Rock and blues from that time period and 2 cds of the bands originals. Going to a gig at 63 years old is just as exciting and fun for me as it was when I was 13 years old. 4string,I get up when I want and do what I want.And I answer to no one. Reporting to the boss working 40 hours a week to make someone else rich seems crappy to me. But this is the States,maybe it's just different over here. Question, am I the only guy on bass chat that loves gigging at the bar band level? Blue Edited February 18, 2016 by blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1455740068' post='2982046'] My job in my band is to play the best bass lines that compliment the songs we play, sing background vocals and maintain a certain level of stage presence. I was not hired to critique or correct other members playing ability. As long as our calender is filled with good gigs I keep quiet. Blue [/quote] That could either mean you are quietly not enjoying the other players around you but biting your lip because the gigs mean more to you than the hassle of changing your situation , or that you are lucky and play in a band that you are very happy with the dynamics , both personality and musically The Op isn't enjoying is band and is wanting to do something about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1455756143' post='2982244'] Question, am I the only guy on bass chat that loves gigging at the bar band level? [/quote] I dunno, but I'm pretty sure you're definitely the guy who talks most about gigging at the bar band level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburstjazz1967 Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 We have around 40 tracks to choose at the moment and play for around two hours a show,we play around 30 so another hour would need 45 tracks in total so playing twice a week would mean playing the whole repertoire each week at least by my rough calculations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4stringslow Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1455756143' post='2982244'] 4string,I get up when I want and do what I want.And I answer to no one. [/quote] So you may think, but In reality you answer to the bar owners (and the band) and you have to play the same old songs for a living. If you really love it then that's great, but it's just another form of rut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 once saw a programme about bands breaking up and one guy said something like "the reason bands break up is because nobody ever says what's really pissing them off early enough and it just festers till there's a big argument and it results in a break up" in my limited experience that is true, so I resolved to tell people as politely as possible when something is annoying me with my new band, it's worked so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratman Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I gig for a living and I certainly don't feel it's another form of rut. Saturdays and some Fridays are my bigger earning nights doing functions, the rest of my gigs are generally pub/bar work. Like Blue, I love what I do. I may not be a rich man but I'm happy in my work. I approach my gigs with the attitude that I'm going to play to my best ability and put on a good show, like most of the musicians around me. And after all these years I still get excited getting ready to leave the house for a gig. I don't have time for half-arsed performances and attitudes. I do take my work seriously and yes, it's still a job, but it beats doing 40+ hours a week in an office or warehouse. I know this because I've done both. I have the best job in the world and long may it continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 As above, sack the guy, if he has more clout with the band than you do, then walk. I ended up sacking the guy that recruited me to my current band, we improved immediately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 [quote name='ratman' timestamp='1455792228' post='2982419'] I gig for a living and I certainly don't feel it's another form of rut. Saturdays and some Fridays are my bigger earning nights doing functions, the rest of my gigs are generally pub/bar work. Like Blue, [b]I love what I do[/b]. I may not be a rich man but[b] I'm happy in my work[/b]. I approach my gigs with the attitude that I'm going to play to my best ability and put on a good show, like most of the musicians around me. And after all these years I still get excited getting ready to leave the house for a gig. I don't have time for half-arsed performances and attitudes. I do take my work seriously and yes,[b] it's still a job, but it beats doing 40+ hours a week in an office[/b] or warehouse. I know this because I've done both. I have the best job in the world and long may it continue. [/quote] The more I read of people who feel like this the more I think I need to make some life changes... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dropzone Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 I would express it as "Something sounds wrong, can we take some time to all agree we are playing the same thing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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