Fender experts advice please.

[karlfer]

Hi folks, just to settle a discussion please.
Following photos of matching head stock Burgundy Mist jazz

I think it's one of the Mex Classic Series 60's reissues from around 2002. There have been a few sold on here generally at around £450/£550.

T'other chap thinks it's a 62 RI (and that the Mex Classic 60's RI was based on the 62 RI.

Don't worry, neither car or house deeds will change on the outcome

Ta,
Karl.

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[Lozz196]

MZ serial number = Made in Mexico, Karl (as does the small "Made in Mexico" underneath said serial number ). The Classic 60s is based on the 62 RI to a point from what I`ve read, and is also meant to be a quality bass - if it`s anything like it`s 70s cousin then it def is.

[AndyTravis]

Mexican factory special run 2002/2003. It's a classic 60's model.

I had one, bought from Tayste2000 and sold through here.

Great looking bass, I had Nordstrand NJS4's in mine.

I paid £500 ish. They were about that new. Worth it though.

[AndyTravis]

MZ2 = 2002

[Chiliwailer]

Hi Karl, having worked for Fender around then I can confirm that you're right as they were marketed as a 60's, no specific year given.

I can see how someone would argue that it's based on a 62, but that's an argument I personally can't be arsed with

[karlfer]

Thanks gents, really appreciated.
I might not be quite as dimwitted and opinionated as somebody thinks

[Cotswoldbassguitars]

Hi Karl,

That looks an interesting one!

I have just dug out the Fender Frontline brochures from 2002 and 2003 and there is a '60s Jazz Bass shown but no specific mention of '62. However, it states it was only available in Sunburst, Olympic White and Black and all came with a tort pickguard. There is certainly no mention of Burgundy Mist, white pickguard and matching headstock!

I wonder if it was a special run? It certainly looks a nice find!

[Chiliwailer]

[quote name='Cotswoldbassguitars' timestamp='1455832592' post='2982905']

I wonder if it was a special run? It certainly looks a nice find!
[/quote]

Yes, they were a FSR but were available for quite some time. I very nearly bought a BM Jazzmaster at the time, great colour

[ead]

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1455828523' post='2982851']
Thanks gents, really appreciated.
I might not be quite as dimwitted and opinionated as somebody thinks
[/quote]

Just let me know what said that about you Karl and I'll have a little word in his shell-like (with my baseball bat).

Shame about the dings on the neck though.

[karlfer]

[quote name='Cotswoldbassguitars' timestamp='1455832592' post='2982905']
Hi Karl,

That looks an interesting one!

I have just dug out the Fender Frontline brochures from 2002 and 2003 and there is a '60s Jazz Bass shown but no specific mention of '62. However, it states it was only available in Sunburst, Olympic White and Black and all came with a tort pickguard. There is certainly no mention of Burgundy Mist, white pickguard and matching headstock!

I wonder if it was a special run? It certainly looks a nice find!
[/quote]

Yes David. FSR, and what Daniel said (below).

[quote name='Chiliwailer' timestamp='1455864515' post='2983015']
Yes, they were a FSR but were available for quite some time. I very nearly bought a BM Jazzmaster at the time, great colour
[/quote]

Thanks Daniel

[quote name='ead' timestamp='1455870215' post='2983045']
Just let me know what said that about you Karl and I'll have a little word in his shell-like (with my baseball bat).

Shame about the dings on the neck though.
[/quote]

Alain, you should be congratulating him on his astuteness

OK, many of us have had fleeting conversations with the guy in question, as he often pops up on sale threads here, with the comment "trades?".
The "debate" that brought about my question was on a facebook sales thread.

One bloke is currently selling one of these at £795.
I think HE bought it recently, at £795, off the guy I was having the debate with. I think the CURRENT seller started to be a touch concerned about the advert he had bought it from.
BOTH of these blokes appear to have the same surname, which complicates it.

The guy who I was having the debate with, well, I'm fairly sure he bought it off here at around £500, then sold it on Facebook to the CURRENT seller at £795. Quite within his rights of course.
HOWEVER, the guy NOW selling it was advertising it as a 62 RI. I commented that I was fairly sure it was in fact a Classic 60's series FSR Mex, and as far as I was aware, the 62 RI had strap button on back of headstock and earthing strip.

Then the original seller jumped in, put me in my place with some lovely internet sarcasm. I deleted my comments as I didn't want to screw up the CURRENT sellers advert.

So, if you followed that lot, your honorary PHD is in the mail

Edited February 19, 2016 by karlfer

[ead]

I think I need to go and lie down in a dark room with a dam flannel on my head after that Karl. I think I'll just skulk around Hindley looking a bit menacing then.

Is it the same bass currently on Evilbay?

[karlfer]

Yes Alain, looks like it's just gone on in the last day or so.

Psst, wanna buy a damp flannel John

[Lozz196]

Unless there was a specific Mexican Fender Jazz 62 RI model, it can`t be a 62 RI - as these are US made - purely due to the Mexican serial number and the made in Mexico on the headstock.

[Grangur]

Bearing in mind the contradictions identified by some of the guys here, do we know for sure that this isn't a bass of mixed origin?

[Chiliwailer]

[quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1455890327' post='2983347']
Bearing in mind the contradictions identified by some of the guys here, do we know for sure that this isn't a bass of mixed origin?
[/quote]

Designed in California, made in Mexico and living in the UK isn't mixed origin enough for you?

[Grangur]

[quote name='Chiliwailer' timestamp='1455899807' post='2983495']


Designed in California, made in Mexico and living in the UK isn't mixed origin enough for you?
[/quote]

Ahhhhh.... well, THAT explains everything.

I was just thinking if Mexico never made that type of bass in a Mist finish, but the neck is clearly MiM, then maybe it's a bitsa. But I'm sure I MUST be wrong and this HAS to be from the Mexico Custom shop.

[Chiliwailer]

[quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1455900113' post='2983497']


Ahhhhh.... well, THAT explains everything.

I was just thinking if Mexico never made that type of bass in a Mist finish, but the neck is clearly MiM, then maybe it's a bitsa. But I'm sure I MUST be wrong and this HAS to be from the Mexico Custom shop.
[/quote]

Ah, the infamous Mexican Custom Shop, that's to blame for many a mess... Remember the Splattercaster?

This is 100% legit, I was a sales rep for Arbitor and then Fender at the time. They were a special run, and very nice too.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Chiliwailer

[karlfer]

Thanks lads.
As I understand it, there were;
62 US RI's
62 Japan RI's
62 Custom Shop RI's.

But NOT a specific, official 62 MEX RI.

So, it's being advertised as something it isn't imo.
I know these were a FSR, a few have sold on here, EXACTLY the same model, the Classic 60'S Series FSR, at between £450/£550.
I think the current seller paid £795 for it after seeing 62 RI in the ad (on Facebook).
Buyer beware, yes, I know, but it just leaves a bit of a hollow feeling, seeing somebody that (imo) has been a little misled.

The guy selling it bought it from a member from here.
The member paid about £500 for it, on here a few months back.
It's not the 1st time that member has pulled off something like this.
Just not my kind of behaviour hence my "fabrication" in my original post.

I don't know why I get worked up about this sort of thing, but it just "doesn't seem cricket" to me .
Cheers,
Karl.

Edited February 20, 2016 by karlfer

[Muppet]

I came back to your thread here Karl, as it is being sold an another Facebook group (not the one you commented on) by the person who you call the original seller, so one bass, two different sellers (albeit the same surname).

Steve

[karlfer]

[quote name='Muppet' timestamp='1455968659' post='2984032']
I came back to your thread here Karl, as it is being sold an another Facebook group (not the one you commented on) by the person who you call the original seller, so one bass, two different sellers (albeit the same surname).

Steve
[/quote]

Yup, it's frying my brain Steve

[karlfer]

And here's one at around the price they normally go for (thanks haimsey ). And THIS seller knows what he's doing

http://www.bassdirect.co.uk/bass_guitar_specialists/Jazz_MIM_FSR_60s_RI.html

If I hadn't agreed to buy a Barefaced Super Twelve two days ago ...............................

[LewisK1975]

Ooof that's a bit nice. Very 'Betsy'!

[karlfer]

[quote name='LewisK1975' timestamp='1456424641' post='2988951']
Ooof that's a bit nice. Very 'Betsy'!
[/quote]

If you are interested, don't hesitate, that's a bargain price for a profit making retailer and I would almost guarantee Mark won't have it in the shop for long

[neilp]

Only if it's a 62 reissue flannel....

[LewisK1975]

I agree Karl, but I find myself being a bit more picky these days - was a time I absolutely had to have any bass which I thought would be good for me. Through tons of trial and error I've come to the conclusion that I prefer maple fingerboards, with a definite lean towards Fenders and Fenderlikes. I'll leave that one to someone who'll make proper use of it.......