neepheid Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 A single instance of class D amp didn't work out == all class D amps are crap. Sounds legit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martthebass Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 It took me quite a bit of experimenting when I moved away from TE to MarkBass (I know the LM3 isn't a Class D but I'm not technical emough to understand the differnce in the sonic world). I went through TE, Barefaced and two different MB cabs before getting a sound I was happy with. I rate my LM3 and 2 MB121 cab combination as highly as the TE kit I moved away from....but I could have given up at the start and believed that ALL low weight switching amps were inferior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bodyinflight Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1457959689' post='3003319'] A single instance of class D amp didn't work out == all class D amps are crap. Sounds legit. [/quote] Please don't huff, the title was to draw you guys in to have an expository conversation for my (and others) enlightenment. Go suck a lemon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburstjazz1967 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1457957723' post='3003288'] db or d&b? [/quote] I'm still waiting for him to tell me, where is he anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neepheid Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 [quote name='bodyinflight' timestamp='1457960760' post='3003333'] Please don't huff, the title was to draw you guys in to have an expository conversation for my (and others) enlightenment. Go suck a lemon! [/quote] That's a great suggestion - I'd find sucking on a lemon far preferable to putting up with your attitude. Good day sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 [quote name='bodyinflight' timestamp='1457898084' post='3002821'] Purchased myself a TC Electronic BH250 and an Eden EX210 cab at Christmas. While initially impressed with the volume, I took this to a large venue for a gig - and then another sizeable room for a jam with 2 guitarists and a drummer. It did not hold it's own. I get this is probably the cheapest class D head out there, but the [b]reviews led me to believe it was more than loud enough for big gigs - probably my naivety.[/b] [/quote] I read that quite a bit about gear, i think it needs taking with a pinch of salt on web forums. Ive been reading loads of reports recently how a certain 1x10 does the same. Hard to believe sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Passinwind Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1457942726' post='3003098'] As different as amps that generally use the same power module can be... :-) [/quote] The TC doesn't use any of the usual suspects, but I think you already know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I've tried out two class D set ups within the past year and been very happy with both. Firstly, a Fender Rumble 500 Combo V3. These are lovely combos with a great tone, very vintage and pleasing to the ear and loud...I can't remember why I chose to swap it to be honest. I now have an Aguilar TH350. This took a bit more time to twiddle with but over the last 2 practices with my band it's sounding bang on. Very warm and I'm getting some nice grit in the sound, and again loud. I stick either my P or J bass through it and they sound great. They may be both class D but they're very different in character. I like that the one thing they do have in common is a lack of fuss. There are a couple of preset buttons on the Fender, however apart from that it's a straightforward amp. The drive or overdrive on both are very usable, unlike the GK solid state amp I had prior to them. The overdrive on that was dreadful, almost a joke. As with all gear, you find what you like the sound of. Personally I wouldn't have looked at the TC Electronic in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburstjazz1967 Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I think the fender rumbles were based on the defunct genz contour combo range, they sounded really good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Forrer Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I've had a Trace rig in the past. My current D class GK MB800 runs rings around it for power and tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bassman7755 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 [quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1457967917' post='3003458'] I read that quite a bit about gear, i think it needs taking with a pinch of salt on web forums. Ive been reading loads of reports recently how a certain 1x10 does the same. Hard to believe sometimes. [/quote] Its worth bearing in mind that the real world power required to be "loud enough" can vary massively between different players purely by virtue of how they use low bass frequency EQ in their sound and thats before you considered all the other variables such as genre loudness and sensibleness of other band members. With the OPs setup of an amp at the very bottom of the class-D power spectrum and a smallish marginally effecient cab (and presumably an 8ohm on to boot) its entirely feasible that it couldnt cut the mustard, but then it might be fine for another player for all reasons I outlined above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 [quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1458109215' post='3004711'] Its worth bearing in mind that the real world power required to be "loud enough" can vary massively between different players purely by virtue of how they use low bass frequency EQ in their sound and thats before you considered all the other variables such as genre loudness and sensibleness of other band members. With the OPs setup of an amp at the very bottom of the class-D power spectrum and a smallish marginally effecient cab (and presumably an 8ohm on to boot) its entirely feasible that it couldnt cut the mustard, but then it might be fine for another player for all reasons I outlined above. [/quote] Oh yeas, we all need different things and can get away with different levels etc depending on the situation. I just find sometimes people can get over enthusiastic and make it sound like the laws of physics have finally been broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBerriff Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) I think you need to read the claims in context. All the posts I have seen do that. What I do conclude though is that amp power figures are quoted to many different standards. Edited March 16, 2016 by DBerriff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 [quote name='DBerriff' timestamp='1458117922' post='3004775'] I think you need to read the claims in context. All the posts I have seen do that. What I do conclude though is that amp power figures are quoted to many different standards. [/quote] Im talking about those who say things like they had to be taken out of the PA in a 200 strong bar playing blues and rock covers because they were too loud. Mainly on Talkbass, not here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Japhet' timestamp='1457898765' post='3002835'] Not impressed with the TC Head - fair enough. That should have been the title of the thread. There are dozens of class D heads about that are way better than the BH250. [/quote] Indeed! Also, quite often the lack of volume can be fixed by using different (or more) speakers. In this particular example the two rigs are quite different, speaker wise... not surprised about the outcome Edited March 18, 2016 by mcnach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcnach Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 [quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1457952370' post='3003206'] Expensive when new 2x15 puts out more volume and bottom end than a new cheap 2x10, yep must be the class of output stage amplification, can't think what else could be at play here? Lol [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 Although ive only had one rehearsal with um new GKMB800 im loving it so far. Much more "me" than the Markbass F1 ive been using for a few years. It seems to have the kick and punch the F1 definitely doesn't have, and needed a pre amp in front to bring tu to life, Both are great in their own way but it shows that class D is not a one tone system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I keep finding myself using the trace simulation on my multi amp, sometimes think I should just go buy an old one for party gigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 I did a similar move to what the OP first did. I went from a Trace 4x10 combo to a class D 2x10 combo. The difference was I found the Markbass combo blew the Trace back into the 80s. When I added a (loaned) 2x10 cab to it, it was impressively loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Class D. Note the gaytards are both mic'd up, as is the drummer. The bass isn't. "Heft" was noted [URL=http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/Karl_Altdorfer/media/12647024_10153910918528739_4400397769917726932_n_zpskzclej8e.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q693/Karl_Altdorfer/12647024_10153910918528739_4400397769917726932_n_zpskzclej8e.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bassman7755 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 Your using a puma though and thats just cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunburstjazz1967 Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 The OPs amp would have been fine through those cabs, a single 8 ohm 2x10 with a 250 watt head was putting out what, 175watts? less? I have a 300watt class D amp and I have run it through a pair of 8 ohm 4x10 cabs and I would happily gig it alongside the Trace the OP replaced it with! More speakers=more air moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlfer Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 [quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1458376813' post='3007008'] Your using a puma though and thats just cheating. [/quote] Yes yes yes I know, but that car cassette on top of those cabs hardly looks butch does it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgsjx Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 [quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1458382610' post='3007088'] The OPs amp would have been fine through those cabs, a single 8 ohm 2x10 with a 250 watt head was putting out what, 175watts? less? I have a 300watt class D amp and I have run it through a pair of 8 ohm 4x10 cabs and I would happily gig it alongside the Trace the OP replaced it with! More speakers=more air moved. [/quote] I don't think the BH250 is 250w at 4 ohm. Probably considerably less, but as you've pointed out, it's speakers that make the decibels, not the watts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Dean Posted March 19, 2016 Share Posted March 19, 2016 The TC250 sounded thin compared to my 250 MB mo mark & like a horrible tinny little radio compared to my Ashdown ABM1000 digital head all going through a barefaced . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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