gapiro Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Hi Guys I'm doing a musical in a couple of weeks time in what will be my first foray into double bass gigging - baptism of fire. (Its about 70/30 BG/DB) As part of this i've stumbled accross this set of 6 bars - I'm not sure how to play it! Is it a C harmonic (at 2 octaves?) or is it a C with Harmonic F? And how do you do them with a bow as presumerably its a pinch/tapped harmonic? Any tips appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philparker Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) That's got me puzzled! My only suggestion is that there is a typo and it should read 15va not 15 ma. As it says 'harmonic sounding' (which is not a harmonic, nor is it the symbol for harmonics) is that you quietly play 'C' two octaves above (on the G-string, oo-er!) to make it sound like a harmonic? Depending on the tempo, I would play two bars down stroke, 2 up and 2 down to finish. (Then comes the interesting key change to Db, which will keep you on your toes!) Edit: the batteries ran out on my wireless keyboard halfway through a sentence!) Edited March 14, 2016 by philparker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapiro Posted March 15, 2016 Author Share Posted March 15, 2016 Glad i'm not the only one who is puzzled! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexpea Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Looks to me as if they want you to play the C on the A string whilst stopping a harmonic roughly at F on the D string which would give you an A but 2 octaves higher. I think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilp Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 The convention - as much as there is one with notation for harmonics! - would normally be that the normally shaped note indicates the finger position to find the harmonic and the diamond-shaped note indicates the pitch. I'm not sure how that would work in this case though! What show is it? Context might help to work it out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexpea Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) [quote name='neilp' timestamp='1458063633' post='3004356'] The convention - as much as there is one with notation for harmonics! - would normally be that the normally shaped note indicates the finger position to find the harmonic and the diamond-shaped note indicates the pitch. I'm not sure how that would work in this case though! What show is it? Context might help to work it out... [/quote] That was my initial thinking too Neil but in this case that would sound an E harmonic. Sometimes it's done the other way round too where the diamond shaped note indicates the finger position. I've played some Ravel pieces where he adds a third note to instruct which string to play the harmonic on. Just tried playing it how I suggested in my earlier post though and it seems pretty impossible to achieve so not sure I'm right there. Could just be my playing though... Edited March 15, 2016 by alexpea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilp Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Ravel was a law unto himself when it came to harmonics! I'm rehearsing "La Valse" at the moment. I still think some context would help - evena composer might give a clue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeEvans Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I would try and request guidance from a Higher Authority (e.g. bandleader or musical director) and if in doubt, just play the C, arco and quietly, maybe just with the edge of the bow for a soft and unintrusive sound. I'd lay a chunky bet that no-one will ever comment or even notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilp Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 It ought to be possible to find out what the composer intended, if it's a published show someone has played it before. What's the show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeEvans Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Another thought - I was noodling about on the bass tonight and although I doubt that this is what the composer intended, if you finger a C but bow right down near the bridge you get some interesting harmonics. Might be an option to try some of that and see how it sounds with the full band. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gapiro Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Thanks guys. First band call is this weekend so will suggest to MD that we have a look at it there. The show is "Big Fish" - but this is the "12 Chairs" version (12 actors, and a reduced orchestra of 6 rather than 12 from the original) It looks like this is first time the 12 chairs version has been played in the UK as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilp Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Ok, that's not a show I know, but I'll ask around, see if I can get a steer. The notation is certainly not helpful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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