chris_b Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 If anyone had ripped of Led Zep then Peter Grant and the "boys" would have sorted that out at the time. You can bet LZ management will be right on top of the pennies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 [quote name='The-Ox' timestamp='1460456923' post='3025821'] as talented as he is, Page is known for this, didn't he deny he stole Dazed and Confused? [/quote] I'd be more surprised if he admitted it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1460456659' post='3025815'] It could be what happens when relatives over estimate the value of the estate, especially when it's split 19 ways and "Rich Uncle Randy's" estate doesn't amount to so much. Not that I've researched this guy at all. [/quote] I don't think he made vast amounts. Spirit were reasonably well known in the late 60's /early 70's on the US west coast scene but otherwise fairly anonymous. They had a bit of a resurgence in UK doing the college circuit in the early 80's and California's 'Restless' solo album was reasonably well received by the rock fraternity around that time. He'd moved to Hawaii when he drowned saving his son who had got into difficulties swimming in the sea. He seemed a pretty cool chilled out guy but he had mentioned the similarity between Taurus and STH in interviews before. Edited April 12, 2016 by KevB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 They seem to have a bit of a habit of "borrowing" stuff [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiiY4ciKFQA"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiiY4ciKFQA[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Taurus by Spirit: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd8AVbwB_6E&nohtml5=False[/media] But did both parties rip off this?? [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcYeLRI76No&list=RDJcYeLRI76No&nohtml5=False"]http://www.youtube....o&nohtml5=False[/url] Edited April 12, 2016 by TheGreek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezbass Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 [quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1460438842' post='3025644'] Money & a skint/greedy relative? [/quote]I have to agree. Stairway has been around for 45 years and only now they want to make a claim. I call shenanigans. In addition, as posted earlier, both tunes are very Bach-esque, so the smart move is to claim that it was Bach inspired; case closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidbass Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) It is very similar for the first 5 or so chords anyway, same key too and picking pattern. I guess a settlement will be reached. As for the mention of Weller - there are surely no two riffs more alike than 'Changing Man' and ELO's '10538 Overture' Edited April 12, 2016 by acidbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) On the wiki page for 10538 Overture it says Weller sampled the riff for 'Changing Man'. Whether they actually mean sampled or whether Weller just had his band play it I don't know, but I would guess that the royalties were sorted out long ago. Edited April 12, 2016 by Cato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bikenbass Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 [quote name='Cato' timestamp='1460476936' post='3026050'] On the wiki page for 10538 Overture it says Weller sampled the riff for 'Changing Man'. Whether they actually mean sampled or whether Weller just had his band play it I don't know, but I would guess that the royalties were sorted out long ago. [/quote] Tax Man and Start seem very similar too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfretrock Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 [quote name='ezbass' timestamp='1460475085' post='3026032'] I have to agree. Stairway has been around for 45 years and only now they want to make a claim. I call shenanigans. In addition, as posted earlier, both tunes are very Bach-esque, so the smart move is to claim that it was Bach inspired; case closed. [/quote] "Poor man's bourrée by Bach" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDo4CA13LbY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Sounds nothing like Spirit ... http://youtu.be/FNE75XznfIE?list=RDJcYeLRI76No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 [quote name='odysseus' timestamp='1460454502' post='3025785'] Similar claims have been made about The Eagles' Hotel California being a rip off of Jethro Tull's We Used To Know, but I don't think it ever went as far as court AFAIK. The general consensus among musos is that chord progressions were shared in the same manner as needles back in the day. Look at blues and rock'n'roll - I guess some stuff is considered more 'open source' than others. I can understand people getting upset about apparent 'plagiarism' though. I guess the debate will rumble on.... *shrug* [/quote]There's an interview with Ian Anderson where he states he really doesn't care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 [quote name='Bikenbass' timestamp='1460483029' post='3026132'] Tax Man and Start seem very similar too. [/quote]D'oh, you beat me to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 On a general point, can anyone clear up the copyright/public domain laws. I recall something about fifty years unless you pay lawyers to renew? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E sharp Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I'm surprised no one has mentioned 'Let it grow' by Clapton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 [quote name='ambient' timestamp='1460424432' post='3025632'] Not heard of this before, and have I've never heard of the band or song it's alleged to have been copied from. I have to say that judging by this, in my opinion there's enough dissimilarity. [url="http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/apr/12/stairway-to-heavens-opening-chords-may-have-been-stolen-judge-says"]http://www.theguardi...olen-judge-says[/url] [/quote] The lawyer for the grasping side is called Francis Malofiy. Any relation to Draco Malofiy - sorry, Malefoy? The chords are similar but the distinctive melodic lines differ quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 [quote name='E sharp' timestamp='1460487277' post='3026206'] I'm surprised no one has mentioned 'Let it grow' by Clapton [/quote] You mean Disney ripping off the title for a song in an animated musical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHeart Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Ozzy did it with Shot in the Dark by FM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Pachelbel's canon yet. Probably the most copied bass line in the history of music. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOA-2hl1Vbc"][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOA-2hl1Vbc[/media][/url] Edited April 13, 2016 by leftybassman392 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon. Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I did read somewhere that one of the reasons the Turus / STH case is happening now (well, it started a few years ago, but is just getting to court now), is due to the Remasters collections Led Zep put out. The statute of limitations had passed on the original recording of STH, but the remastered version counts as a new track. This does kind of raise a couple of interesting points: 1. As pointed out already, if this is only happening now, then it's fairly safe to say the guys in Spirit knew of STH and the similarity and chose to do nothing about it. 2. As the statue of limitation on the original recording has passed, would any claim for royalties be based only on sales of the remastered version? To be sure, that will still be a considerable sum, but only a tiny fraction of the total royalties STH has earned over the last 45+ years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras52 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 (edited) [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1460485039' post='3026167'] On a general point, can anyone clear up the copyright/public domain laws. I recall something about fifty years unless you pay lawyers to renew? [/quote] It used to be fifty years after the end of the year(*) of death of the composer, recently increased to seventy years. * So if you your composer grandfather is looking iffy around Christmas, do what you can to get him to hold on until New Year's Day, then you get an extra year of royalties :-) Edited April 13, 2016 by ras52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudewheresmybass Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 As far as I can hear from listening to the intro comparison vid I found on yt, the only similarity is the descending chord pattern. I understood that you couldn't copyright a chord sequence anyway. If you could there would be many, many artists in court! Btw, whatever happened in the Coldplay/ joe satriani case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 [quote name='dudewheresmybass' timestamp='1460543222' post='3026597'] Btw, whatever happened in the Coldplay/ joe satriani case? [/quote] A series of mistrials, due to acute narcolepsy rendered the lawsuit unmanageable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras52 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 [quote name='paul_5' timestamp='1460551460' post='3026709'] A series of mistrials, due to acute narcolepsy rendered the lawsuit unmanageable. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 [quote name='paul_5' timestamp='1460551460' post='3026709'] A series of mistrials, due to acute narcolepsy rendered the lawsuit unmanageable. [/quote]Narcolepsy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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