Plagiarism or inspiration?

[PaulWarning]

there was a news item on Radio 5 this morning about plagiarism, Led Zep are being sued over Stairway, I never realised the opening riff to In the City and Holidays in the Sun were the same, but when does inspiration become plagiarism? Paul Weller is a past master at ripping off intros but I don't know whether he's ever been sued, is it not enough just to copy a part of another song?

[PaulWarning]

just seen the Stairway thread have I plagiarised it?

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[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1460450153' post='3025727']
just seen the Stairway thread have I plagiarised it?
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Post of the day.

[CamdenRob]

This won't really be an issue going forward as no-one makes enough money from original music to warrant suing them...

Edited April 12, 2016 by CamdenRob

[PaulWarning]

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1460450709' post='3025736']
This won't really be an issue going forward as no-one makes enough money from original music to warrant suing them...
[/quote]that's true, never thought of that, I can copy other songs with impunity now

[BassBus]

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1460450153' post='3025727']
just seen the Stairway thread have I plagiarised it?
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Yes! and as I posted in that thread I'm going to sue you. We could settle out of court of course. Couple of Jelly Babies suit you? (other children's sweets are available before I am accused of something)

[PaulWarning]

[quote name='BassBus' timestamp='1460451164' post='3025744']
Yes! and as I posted in that thread I'm going to sue you. We could settle out of court of course. Couple of Jelly Babies suit you? (other children's sweets are available before I am accused of something)
[/quote]done, shame other disputes cannot be settled so amicable

[KevB]

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1460449990' post='3025723']
there was a news item on Radio 5 this morning about plagiarism, Led Zep are being sued over Stairway, I never realised the opening riff to In the City and Holidays in the Sun were the same, but when does inspiration become plagiarism? [b]Paul Weller is a past master at ripping off intros[/b] but I don't know whether he's ever been sued, is it not enough just to copy a part of another song?
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The Changing Man / 10538 Overture thing is just staggering.

[chris_b]

These things only go to court if the guys being sued say up yours and think they can bluff it out.

Intros and arrangements are not covered by copyright so can be used at will, as Andy Summers found out. . . . .

[url="http://ultimateclassicrock.com/sting-puff-daddy-2000-a-day/"]http://ultimateclass...ddy-2000-a-day/[/url]

Edited April 12, 2016 by chris_b

[alyctes]

[quote name='BassBus' timestamp='1460451164' post='3025744']
Yes! and as I posted in that thread I'm going to sue you. We could settle out of court of course. Couple of Jelly Babies suit you? (other children's sweets are available before I am accused of something)
[/quote]

Pinching other children's sweets? Should be ashamed of yourself...

[PaulWarning]

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1460456922' post='3025820']
These things only go to court if the guys being sued say up yours and think they can bluff it out.

Intros and arrangements are not covered by copyright so can be used at will, as Andy Summers found out. . . . .

[url="http://ultimateclassicrock.com/sting-puff-daddy-2000-a-day/"]http://ultimateclass...ddy-2000-a-day/[/url]
[/quote]I believe it's the melody and the lyrics which are covered by copyright, could be wrong though