bagsieblue Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1463089259' post='3048591'] You're thinking that the One10 is going to sound like a 110 cab. [/quote] No, that's the point. I'm not, I was asking how exactly would one describe it as (sounding) different to a good 1 10 cab?, what is gained?, what is lost?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1463089259' post='3048591'] You're thinking that the One10 is going to sound like a 110 cab. The point I was trying to make is that to compare it with any existing 110 cab is fairly meaningless. Having said that, I haven't heard all of them, of course. [/quote] I don't doubt the maths and science behind all this but, in real world situations, if Barefaced cabs were truly twice as loud as competitor equivalents, why are they the only ones building cabs with drivers like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1463092377' post='3048622'] I don't doubt the maths and science behind all this but, in real world situations, if Barefaced cabs were truly twice as loud as competitor equivalents, why are they the only ones building cabs with drivers like this? [/quote] The 10CR250 driver is exclusive to Barefaced as far as I can make out from the information on their website. [size=3]"[color=#333333]The One10 contains a unique high output 10CR250 driver, designed by Barefaced and custom made by Eminence in the USA."[/color][/size] Edited May 12, 2016 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted May 12, 2016 Share Posted May 12, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1463092493' post='3048626'] The 10CR250 driver is exclusive to Barefaced as far as I can make out from the information on their website. [size=3]"[color=#333333]The One10 contains a unique high output 10CR250 driver, designed by Barefaced and custom made by Eminence in the USA."[/color][/size] [/quote] But why would eminence not make something like it to sell for themselves? I'm being devils advocate here, but I'm curious and confused by it all really, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1463093113' post='3048633'] But why would eminence not make something like it to sell for themselves? [/quote] You'd have to ask Alex about that. Maybe it only works properly in a Barefaced-designed cab? Alex has patented the design? He has an exclusivity deal with Eminence..? Eminence aren't interested in it? I really don't know. Edited May 12, 2016 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) [quote name='bagsieblue' timestamp='1463092202' post='3048620'] I was asking how exactly would one describe it as (sounding) different to a good 110 cab?, what is gained?, what is lost?. [/quote] The main difference from my point of view? You gain volume and bottom end. That's what you really notice first. As far as losing anything goes, I can't think of one advantage a standard 110 cab would have over a One10. The (admittedly few) 110 cabs I've had experience with ran out of steam fairly quickly as the volume went up. But even at reasonable levels they sounded boxy and didn't have much low-end happening. Which is what you'd expect, really. I've stopped thinking about the One10 as I would a 110 cab. Probably best to hear one - it's notoriously difficult to explain exactly in words what a cab sounds like especially if you take into consideration other parameters such as which bass, which pickups, which amp etc is used, what kind of band you play in, what kind of gigs you do, what your rehearsal room is like, and on and on. Edited May 12, 2016 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1463093113' post='3048633'] But why would eminence not make something like it to sell for themselves? [/quote] I would guess they have to sign contracts that prevent them from pinching their customers design ideas. Custom designed speakers must be a very small part of Eminence's business. They will be selling many thousands of their own speakers so why would they want to tread on their customer's toes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty Forrer Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I'm with Discreet. The One10 cannot be compared to any other 1x10. Most every 1x10 I've tried (I work in the industry, so I get to try lots of stuff) has sounded boxy or lacking in heft. I use the One10 on its own for many gigs, adding a second when needed (hardly ever) To be honest, one cab sounds better than most 2x10s I've used One of the best features is the dispersion, and consequently the ability to hear yourself, even when standing right over the cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bassman7755 Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1463093113' post='3048633'] But why would eminence not make something like it to sell for themselves? [/quote] Possinly because the unit cost would be too high for mass market applications where armies of managers and middle men have to be paid and distributors and retail outlets are also taking a cut of the final price of cabs. For a barefaced cab your probably paying about double what it costs to build which is a very low markup vs the industry norm (for any product not just bass cabs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Apple Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1463093113' post='3048633'] I'm being devils advocate here, but I'm curious and confused by it all really, [/quote] When I had a cab built by Matamp with Celestion BL12 200X's (almost the antithesis of a Barefaced cab!) it was very difficult to get a hold of the drivers as existing stocks had run out. Celestion told Matamp that they could supply, but there would be a minimum order of 200. We eventually got some through one of Jeff's contacts. I guess speaker manufacturers core business is fairly mundane stuff that they'll make a long run of. Eminence's deal with Barefaced must be for a minimum number of units, at least a few hundred. They probably don't want to make a load for themselves as they may sit around in stock for ages. Barefaced's deal probably includes a caveat that they will not supply this specification to anyone else during the term of the contract. Edited May 13, 2016 by Billy Apple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Hoping to have mine by the end of the month Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul h Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Errr...I woke up this morning and my Gen1 Compact was still a Gen1 Compact and was not a One10...or even TwoOne10s. What the f***? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1463097854' post='3048661']Custom designed speakers must be a very small part of Eminence's business. They will be selling many thousands of their own speakers so why would they want to tread on their customer's toes?[/quote] The vast majority of Eminence's business is as an OEM specialising in drivers (woofers/mids/tweeters) for other manufacturers. They were established as a business in 1966 (50th anniversary this year), initially making three 18" woofers per week for Ampeg. Their production rate expanded to 10,000 speakers per day but they only started selling their own 'Eminence' branded products in 1999 - before then you could only buy an Eminence speaker if it came in a finished product from another manufacturer. The OEM agreement means that the manufacturers they supply will only use the items in completed products and will not sell the bare OEM parts on their own AND that the OEM will not sell these products to anyone else or disclose data about them. Edited May 13, 2016 by alexclaber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 [quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1463136182' post='3048857'] ... AND that the OEM will not sell these products to anyone else or disclose data about them. [/quote] Oh go on Alex ... you can trust us ... we won't tell anybody ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dixon Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Big fan of the One10, mine sounds great with my TecAmp Puma 900. I borrowed a Heritage Audio 500 series channel strip as the line input to the Puma 900 then into the One10, looks totally over the top, but sounds wonderful. The preamp and amp are practically as big as the cabinet!! Will take some pics and post when I get back to Edinburgh.. Edited May 13, 2016 by Mark Dixon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 [quote name='Mark Dixon' timestamp='1463144198' post='3048991'] I borrowed a Heritage Audio 500 series channel strip as the line input to the Puma 900 then into the One10, looks totally over the top, but sounds wonderful. The preamp and amp are practically as big as the cabinet!! Will take some pics and post when I get back to Edinburgh.. [/quote] Please do, I'd like to see that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dixon Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1463144843' post='3048999'] Please do, I'd like to see that! [/quote] I will do, but you may kill yourself laughing and soil your screen simultaneously.. Pure gear porn.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 [quote name='Mark Dixon' timestamp='1463146818' post='3049035'] ...you may kill yourself laughing and soil your screen simultaneously... [/quote] No worries, it wouldn't be the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagsieblue Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1463094257' post='3048645'] The main difference from my point of view? You gain volume and bottom end. That's what you really notice first. As far as losing anything goes, I can't think of one advantage a standard 110 cab would have over a One10. The (admittedly few) 110 cabs I've had experience with ran out of steam fairly quickly as the volume went up. But even at reasonable levels they sounded boxy and didn't have much low-end happening. Which is what you'd expect, really. I've stopped thinking about the One10 as I would a 110 cab. Probably best to hear one - it's notoriously difficult to explain exactly in words what a cab sounds like especially if you take into consideration other parameters such as which bass, which pickups, which amp etc is used, what kind of band you play in, what kind of gigs you do, what your rehearsal room is like, and on and on. [/quote] Thank you - much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 [quote name='bagsieblue' timestamp='1463165400' post='3049252'] Thank you - much appreciated. [/quote] Youuuu're welcome. I don't think you'd be disappointed with a One10. In my opinion, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dixon Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Here is my One10 setup.. Lovely.. [attachment=220148:i-TwLFnBp-X2.jpg] Edited May 28, 2016 by Mark Dixon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBod Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 Bonkers....but why not?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 [quote name='Mark Dixon' timestamp='1463486467' post='3051693'] Here is my One10 setup.. Lovely... [/quote] Wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 [quote name='Mark Dixon' timestamp='1463486467' post='3051693'] Here is my One10 setup.. Lovely.. [/quote] OK so I can add the puma 900 to the list of amps that will fit on top on my pair when they arrive if I can't bring myself to live with the Glockenklang overhang... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted May 17, 2016 Author Share Posted May 17, 2016 (edited) Here's my current manifestation - just toying with the BDI-21 at the moment. Does sound very warm and present with, though. Edited May 17, 2016 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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