Smythe Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 It's mind boggling stuff that Billy Sheehan does. But I've never found it pleasing on the ear. Just a showcase of technical playing. Quote
Lord Sausage Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 [quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1468007757' post='3088076'] His "Eruption" is a solo called NV43345 - The title is Sheehan upside down and backwards. Every bass player should have heard this. [/quote] [quote name='bartelby' timestamp='1468009244' post='3088103'] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6BkznTqaOc[/media] [/quote] Think I prefer Eruption! Quote
Lord Sausage Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 [quote name='Sammers' timestamp='1467888042' post='3086993'] I'm 25 and I can't say I've ever seen anyone put down Jaco, stop blaming the youth you old fogey! Maybe the shredder phase has passed but Billys playing with Winery Dogs is immense, nothing cheesy or 80's about it. Like LewisK said, he serves the songs incredibly well whilst still having his flash moments. [/quote] Well stick around, you will see plenty on here in time! Quote
Lord Sausage Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 [quote name='visog' timestamp='1468010266' post='3088116'] Boring! That's another reason no one's copied him. And as for NV10538... what a racket!? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a hater... I've encountered him at trade shows too and found him to be very personable. Also I have the Niacin album and like it a lot!! Including his take on 'Birdland'. I'm just trying to answer the OP question. [/quote] [quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1468011007' post='3088124'] There are no Billy Sheehan clones because Billy's playing is boring. Thanks for your definitive answer. [/quote] [quote name='visog' timestamp='1468062630' post='3088363'] Now see I like 'Portrait of Tracy'. It's got form and great harmony. Billy tends to just go for it and doesn't really carry the harmony in his 'lead' playing. I like his jazzier stuff when he stretches out though... Niacin we've mentioned but what about this: [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFIGPMdf5nc"]https://www.youtube....h?v=sFIGPMdf5nc[/url] [/quote] Gotta say I totally agree with visog here (maybe cos we are both in the North west). When i was a teen learning how to play i was into all technical stuff like Vai, Dream Theater, and jazzier stuff, weather report, coliseum etc and i just found him boring. Is show off bits were great but when he was doing is 95% of the time stuff (as it has been put) i just thought it was dull. lacked balls n groove. To be fair it was just DLR n Mr Big that i listen too. But I much prefered Stu Hamm. Thought he did all that technique stuff but played more interesting normal stuff! Quote
arthurhenry Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 [quote name='Smythe' timestamp='1468137366' post='3088733'] It's mind boggling stuff that Billy Sheehan does. But I've never found it pleasing on the ear. Just a showcase of technical playing. [/quote] But ignoring the "mind boggling" stuff, what do you think of his bass playing and why pay more attention to the fancy stuff when almost all of his output is song based bass playing? Quote
DarkHeart Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Sheehan and Gilbert togther are a musical masterclass.. i really dont see the love for Jaco....its just mumbled garbager Edited July 10, 2016 by DarkHeart Quote
Lord Sausage Posted July 10, 2016 Posted July 10, 2016 [quote name='Sammers' timestamp='1467888042' post='3086993'] I'm 25 and I can't say I've ever seen anyone put down Jaco, stop blaming the youth you old fogey! Maybe the shredder phase has passed but Billys playing with Winery Dogs is immense, nothing cheesy or 80's about it. Like LewisK said, he serves the songs incredibly well whilst still having his flash moments. [/quote] [quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1468142190' post='3088775'] Well stick around, you will see plenty on here in time! [/quote] [quote name='DarkHeart' timestamp='1468181837' post='3089116'] Sheehan and Gilbert togther are a musical masterclass.. i really dont see the love for Jaco....its just mumbled garbager [/quote] There you go! Quote
Russ Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 Sheehan does have loads of copycats - in Japan. Any kind of instrumental, virtuosic rock with oodles of tasteless shredding is HUGE over there, and, as you might imagine, Mr Big, a band with Sheehan and Paul Gilbert, was one of the biggest of them all. Most of the videos I've seen of people aping Billy's style are Japanese. Here's a good one from Boh (bass player for Babymetal) - he does a pretty decent job of copying both the style and sound, albeit on a 6-string... [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-mL_s3x7jE"]https://www.youtube....h?v=r-mL_s3x7jE[/url] Quote
Josh Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) Danny Growl. From what I've seen from his videos over the years, he goes as far as to get everything in Sheehan's backline at one point. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY3aPIQ2Q9Q[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G0ek3WwPxc[/media] That's a lot of time and money spent to ultimately sound and play like someone else IMHO. Edited July 11, 2016 by Josh Quote
bartelby Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 [quote name='Josh' timestamp='1468197919' post='3089205'] That's a lot of time and money spent to ultimately sound and play like someone else IMHO. [/quote] Reminds of that bloke on youtube who does Tool covers and had replicated Justin Chancellor's rig. Quote
arthurhenry Posted July 11, 2016 Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Josh' timestamp='1468197919' post='3089205'] Danny Growl. From what I've seen from his videos over the years, he goes as far as to get everything in Sheehan's backline at one point. That's a lot of time and money spent to ultimately sound and play like someone else IMHO. [/quote] Agreed. Growl has even done clinics for Yamaha in Spain, promoting Sheehan's basses. Threre's a guy named Fede Fernandes in Italy too. Edited July 11, 2016 by arthurhenry Quote
blue Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1468142628' post='3088778'] Gotta say I totally agree with visog here (maybe cos we are both in the North west). When i was a teen learning how to play i was into all technical stuff like Vai, Dream Theater, and jazzier stuff, weather report, coliseum etc and i just found him boring. Is show off bits were great but when he was doing is 95% of the time stuff (as it has been put) i just thought it was dull. lacked balls n groove. To be fair it was just DLR n Mr Big that i listen too. But I much prefered Stu Hamm. Thought he did all that technique stuff but played more interesting normal stuff! [/quote] I don't care how fast you can play, how many scales you know or technical riffing. You can't lay down a basic funky groove without tapping and slapping, go home and stay there. Blue Edited July 12, 2016 by blue Quote
MacDaddy Posted July 12, 2016 Author Posted July 12, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1468288905' post='3089883'] You can't lay down a basic funky groove without tapping and slapping, go home and stay there. Blue [/quote] Larry Graham and Bootsy Collins may have something to say about that. Quote
blue Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 [quote name='MacDaddy' timestamp='1468307575' post='3089919'] Larry Graham and Bootsy Collins may have something to say about that. [/quote] Why? They are both world class bass players. They can do it all. I should know, I've followed their careers pretty closely over the last 40 or 50 years. Blue Quote
LewisK1975 Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) [quote name='visog' timestamp='1468000018' post='3088007'] I'll go with it's because he never had a hit or anthem, What's his 'Eruption', 'Jump' or 'Beat It'? Can you whistle a single BS lick or line? [/quote] Most people have been quoting the 'NV' solo piece as Billy's 'eruption', for me it's 'Shy Boy'. Written by him, and he's played a version of that song in every rock band he's ever been in, from Talas right through to The Winery Dogs. The DLR version with Vai (from Eat 'em and smile) is probably the best recorded version out there. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtwBJycUihw"]https://www.youtube....h?v=UtwBJycUihw[/url] Edited July 12, 2016 by LewisK1975 Quote
Sammers Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 Here's a good example of Billy laying down a groove for those interested! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFVTPRswxuk[/media] Quote
2elliot Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 [quote name='LewisK1975' timestamp='1468313748' post='3089982'] Most people have been quoting the 'NV' solo piece as Billy's 'eruption', for me it's 'Shy Boy'. Written by him, and he's played a version of that song in every rock band he's ever been in, from Talas right through to The Winery Dogs. The DLR version with Vai (from Eat 'em and smile) is probably the best recorded version out there. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtwBJycUihw"]https://www.youtube....h?v=UtwBJycUihw[/url] [/quote] Yes, Shy Boy. That's definitely the Billy song for me. I still think it's great now. Quote
blue Posted July 12, 2016 Posted July 12, 2016 [quote name='Sammers' timestamp='1468317310' post='3090032'] Here's a good example of Billy laying down a groove for those interested! [/quote] I like that. Blue Quote
highwayman Posted July 20, 2016 Posted July 20, 2016 (edited) Shy Boy: always found that song's chorus to be awful - the definition of an afterthought.... Edited July 20, 2016 by highwayman Quote
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