Happy Jack Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 [quote name='paul_c2' timestamp='1469141833' post='3096149'] Yep - which is great when instruments with just tuning play together - eg string quartet, horn section, choir. But when they have to play with other instruments - piano, woodwind etc everyone needs to be in tune, so stuff like piano dictates that its equal temprament. In theory a guitar could be constructed and tuned to just tuning - but its fretboard would be correct in only a handful of keys and an open tuning would need to be used. As soon as the limitation of those few keys is removed, the requirement means the frets need to be equally spaced to avoid bad clashes on certain notes. [/quote] So has anyone tried to pass the output from a set of bagpipes through Autotune? And did it sound like Cher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvia Bluejay Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 (edited) LOL, subscribed - thank you Jack for pointing this thread out to me. Priceless Edited July 22, 2016 by bluejay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Mrs Bert always wanted to play bagpipes so no expense spared, I bought her a set for Christmas one year, they cost about £60. Totally useless. Mrs Bert thought it was her not being able to get much of a sound out of them but it turns out that the cheap bagpipes are rubbish and no one can play them. You have to spend a lot of cash to get bagpipes that can actually be played. The cheap ones look good hanging on the wall as an ornament though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 [quote name='bluejay' timestamp='1469181404' post='3096344'] LOL, subscribed - thank you Jack for pointing this thread out to me. Priceless [/quote] Have you thought of getting a left-handed set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvia Bluejay Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Believe me, I'd better stick to (left-handed) bass and just to that, really... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 [quote name='bluejay' timestamp='1469181404' post='3096344'] LOL, subscribed - thank you Jack for pointing this thread out to me. Priceless [/quote] This is deadly serious stuff I'll have you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras52 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Since this thread started I've been trying to recall a certain track - and here it is (the B side to From East to West IIRC) [media]http://youtu.be/A0X9vMzajxA[/media] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvia Bluejay Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 [quote name='Les' timestamp='1469190022' post='3096462'] This is deadly serious stuff I'll have you know [/quote] It is indeed! I'm learning a lot from this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted July 22, 2016 Author Share Posted July 22, 2016 I have have today learned this in it's entirety [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LafC2gKsXV8"]https://www.youtube....h?v=LafC2gKsXV8[/url] but I need it to be a semi tone lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Have you considered laying that down over, say, a disco beat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbd1960 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 [quote name='paul_c2' timestamp='1469141833' post='3096149'] Yep - which is great when instruments with just tuning play together - eg string quartet, horn section, choir. But when they have to play with other instruments - piano, woodwind etc everyone needs to be in tune, so stuff like piano dictates that its equal temprament. In theory a guitar could be constructed and tuned to just tuning - but its fretboard would be correct in only a handful of keys and an open tuning would need to be used. As soon as the limitation of those few keys is removed, the requirement means the frets need to be equally spaced to avoid bad clashes on certain notes. [/quote] You could, like one instrument I play, have movable frets.... which is why older music is written in a small number of related keys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbd1960 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 [quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1469184660' post='3096387'] Mrs Bert always wanted to play bagpipes so no expense spared, I bought her a set for Christmas one year, they cost about £60. Totally useless. Mrs Bert thought it was her not being able to get much of a sound out of them but it turns out that the cheap bagpipes are rubbish and no one can play them. You have to spend a lot of cash to get bagpipes that can actually be played. The cheap ones look good hanging on the wall as an ornament though. [/quote] Ah, BSO's then: Bagpipe Shaped Objects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 Well I've decided that with Scotland believing Bb to be A I'm proper screwed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyctes Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) 1) Work out what 440-Hz key the bagpipes come closest to. 2) Transpose song to suit. 3) Buy a suitable tartan kilt and bearskin, it just doesn't look right without them. (Or sound right with them, at least to some people's ears ) Edited July 23, 2016 by alyctes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted July 23, 2016 Author Share Posted July 23, 2016 [quote name='alyctes' timestamp='1469287506' post='3097208'] 1) Work out what 440-Hz key the bagpipes come closest to. 2) Transpose song to suit. 3) Buy a suitable tartan kilt and bearskin, it just doesn't look right without them. (Or sound right with them, at least to some people's ears ) [/quote] 1) Bb 2) Not worth it for 60 seconds arsing about/sketch 3) That's the spirit of the whole quest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dom in Dorset Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) Any pipes that you can get for £60 will be : A - in the wrong key B- not at concert pitch C- virtually unplayable I used to make and play various types of bagpipe , including ones that played a 1 1/2 octave range that were virtually chromatic. A snip at £1600. [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYT4Ksg-7N4"]https://www.youtube....h?v=MYT4Ksg-7N4[/url] Edited July 27, 2016 by Dom in Somerset Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 You could always simply get a practice cantor. Not bad for £25-30. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnrwTMI7ZRk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hubrad Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 [quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1469184660' post='3096387'] Mrs Bert always wanted to play bagpipes so no expense spared, I bought her a set for Christmas one year, they cost about £60. Totally useless. Mrs Bert thought it was her not being able to get much of a sound out of them but it turns out that the cheap bagpipes are rubbish and no one can play them. You have to spend a lot of cash to get bagpipes that can actually be played. The cheap ones look good hanging on the wall as an ornament though. [/quote] This, unfortunately. Another possible type to consider is the Irish, Uilleann pipes. Play in D. Sorted! There's also an excellent teacher of such things just near Halifax. The theatre and comedy potential of such things is immense, as bits sometimes drop off mid-tune! [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAPXTVotR4w"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAPXTVotR4w[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 Les, have you thought about trying it on a fretless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted July 30, 2016 Author Share Posted July 30, 2016 [quote name='Grangur' timestamp='1469873165' post='3101610'] Les, have you thought about trying it on a fretless? [/quote] No mate, the sound is the least concern, it's the visual impact of standing on the bar playing bagpipes we would be after, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grangur Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 [quote name='Les' timestamp='1469885069' post='3101774'] No mate, the sound is the least concern, it's the visual impact of standing on the bar playing bagpipes we would be after, [/quote] Lol. So £69.99 specials it is then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyctes Posted July 30, 2016 Share Posted July 30, 2016 [quote name='Les' timestamp='1469885069' post='3101774'] No mate, the sound is the least concern, it's the visual impact of standing on the bar playing bagpipes we would be after, [/quote] Aah. So what you actually want is a prop, and the guitarist or keys could play the actual tune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted July 31, 2016 Author Share Posted July 31, 2016 [quote name='alyctes' timestamp='1469921829' post='3102086'] Aah. So what you actually want is a prop, and the guitarist or keys could play the actual tune [/quote] First and foremost yes, but to not actually play them live would be as dishonest as playing a reliced bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiatcoupe432 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 a video you have to see ..... this is are sardinian bagpipes, very popular in sardinia , this guy is a master ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzWITU3L-F0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 [quote name='fiatcoupe432' timestamp='1479940949' post='3180525'] a video you have to see ..... this is are sardinian bagpipes, very popular in sardinia , this guy is a master ...... [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzWITU3L-F0"]https://www.youtube....h?v=BzWITU3L-F0[/url] [/quote] The first minute is really very impressive. The second minute is a bit ... erm ... what happens next? Then it really, really starts to grate! I'm genuinely delighted that maestros like him exist, but you couldn't pay me enough to attend a recital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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