alembic1989 Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I am considering buying a secondhand G&L L2000 and defretting.The only one I have seen for a good price has a maple fretboard. Do maple fretboards sound the same as ebony or rosewood ones when defretted? I only have experience with ebony/rosewood. I know that maple is softer which might be an issue as I would be using roundwounds. Your thoughts gentlemen please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budget bassist Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I wouldn't use roundwounds with any fretless board mate. And someone on the EBMM forums had two sterlings, one with a maple board and one with a rosewood board. He then swapped the necks on the same bass, same EQ settings and all and recorded both of them and posted the recordings. A lot of people guessed correctly on which was which, but the difference was so minute, if any at all. Point is, it made no real difference that EQing wouldn't do. It's not the sort of thing where you'd hear it and think "ah a maple fretboard, would sound better with a rosewood one". As a rule it was VERY slightly brighter and attackier, but as i say, nothing a slight tweak of your treble knob wouldn't take care of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 [quote name='alembic1989' post='298949' date='Oct 3 2008, 09:42 PM']I am considering buying a secondhand G&L L2000 and defretting.The only one I have seen for a good price has a maple fretboard. Do maple fretboards sound the same as ebony or rosewood ones when defretted? I only have experience with ebony/rosewood. I know that maple is softer which might be an issue as I would be using roundwounds. Your thoughts gentlemen please?[/quote] Physically, it could be a while before the wear affects the performance of the board. If you're using rounds, you're going to cause cosmetically noticeable wear on maple AND rosewood. The wear is uglier on maple though. You'll be OK using rounds on ebony, though. Tonally.. as Budget says, I reckon there'll be a barely noticeable difference. Maple will be varnished, and some people don't like the feel of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budget bassist Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I do think fretless maple looks stunning though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alembic1989 Posted October 3, 2008 Author Share Posted October 3, 2008 [quote name='budget bassist' post='298963' date='Oct 3 2008, 10:05 PM']I wouldn't use roundwounds with any fretless board mate. And someone on the EBMM forums had two sterlings, one with a maple board and one with a rosewood board. He then swapped the necks on the same bass, same EQ settings and all and recorded both of them and posted the recordings. A lot of people guessed correctly on which was which, but the difference was so minute, if any at all. Point is, it made no real difference that EQing wouldn't do. It's not the sort of thing where you'd hear it and think "ah a maple fretboard, would sound better with a rosewood one". As a rule it was VERY slightly brighter and attackier, but as i say, nothing a slight tweak of your treble knob wouldn't take care of.[/quote] thanks for your input guys. I always use rounds with fretless..I .just like the sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charla Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 I've got a maple neck fretless Precision, which was converted from fretted. Obviously when you pull out the frets there is damage to the finish of the neck which has to be stripped back so its best to refinish the neck with something hard wearing; I didn't do this myself and got a local luthier to do the work, that was back in 1989 and the neck still looks good and I use roundwounds! Cheers Charla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 [quote name='alembic1989' post='298997' date='Oct 3 2008, 10:49 PM']thanks for your input guys. I always use rounds with fretless..I .just like the sound[/quote] I have two maple-board fretless basses at present - a '78 Precision and an '80 Roadstar - and have owned several more, these including basses with boards of ebony, rosewood and whatever it is the EBMM currently use. Can't say why, but to my mind and my fingers, maple feels and sounds so much better. There's a sexiness to the tone, this despite what the physics/mechanics might dictate. Probably just taste, but that's what music's all about really C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub_junkie Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 no please dont do that to that lovely white L2000 (if it is the same bass you are referring to) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Maple necks are normally lacquered so like the man says you will need to refin after pulling the frets out anyway so just use a tougher laquer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6stringbassist Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 Roundwounds are fine on fretless basses, in fact you get far more mwah with rounds than you'll ever get with flats or grounds. Flats sound too much like a upright on fretless, that's fine if you want that sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctor_of_the_bass Posted October 3, 2008 Share Posted October 3, 2008 [quote name='6stringbassist' post='299032' date='Oct 4 2008, 12:05 AM']Roundwounds are fine on fretless basses, in fact you get far more mwah with rounds than you'll ever get with flats or grounds. Flats sound too much like a upright on fretless, that's fine if you want that sound.[/quote] Fully agree! Takes many many years to really wear out a fretless board using roundwounds unless its cheap wood! On saying that I destroyed an old Hohner Arbor fretless when I was 15 - should not have left it on the driveway like that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budget bassist Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 [quote name='Beedster' post='299004' date='Oct 3 2008, 11:04 PM']I have two maple-board fretless basses at present - a '78 Precision and an '80 Roadstar - and have owned several more, these including basses with boards of ebony, rosewood and [color="#FF0000"][b]whatever it is the EBMM currently use[/b][/color]. Can't say why, but to my mind and my fingers, maple feels and sounds so much better. There's a sexiness to the tone, this despite what the physics/mechanics might dictate. Probably just taste, but that's what music's all about really C[/quote] Pau ferro FYI. Good to see you back by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 [quote name='Beedster' post='299004' date='Oct 3 2008, 11:04 PM']I have two maple-board fretless basses at present - a '78 Precision and an '80 Roadstar - and have owned several more, these including basses with boards of ebony, rosewood and whatever it is the EBMM currently use. Can't say why, but to my mind and my fingers, maple feels and sounds so much better. There's a sexiness to the tone, this despite what the physics/mechanics might dictate. Probably just taste, but that's what music's all about really C[/quote] Well hello! Are STILL wearing that cap? It must be stuck to your head by now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass_ferret Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 [quote name='6stringbassist' post='299032' date='Oct 4 2008, 12:05 AM']Roundwounds are fine on fretless basses, in fact you get far more mwah with rounds than you'll ever get with flats or grounds. Flats sound too much like a upright on fretless, that's fine if you want that sound.[/quote] I would disagree that you more mwah with rounds than grounds. You will get more mwah with some rounds than with some grounds, but my experience with grounds is that some sound like flats and some sound like rounds and everything in between. It can get a bit costly finding the right ones. I am using Status Hotwire halfs at the moment - lots of mwah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alembic1989 Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 [quote name='bass_ferret' post='299016' date='Oct 3 2008, 11:30 PM']Maple necks are normally lacquered so like the man says you will need to refin after pulling the frets out anyway so just use a tougher laquer.[/quote] I think what I'l probably do when the frets are pulled out is not to laquer as I don't like the feel of shiny laquer under my fingers...I will do my best to wear out the neck...(.by practising more)..and then get an ebony board put on it at a (much) later stage..when I will hopefully be able to afford it....unless of course I have totally fallen in love with the feel of maple under my fingers....just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alembic1989 Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 [quote name='dub_junkie' post='299013' date='Oct 3 2008, 11:26 PM']no please dont do that to that lovely white L2000 (if it is the same bass you are referring to)[/quote] Oh...and what lovely white one would that be??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alembic1989 Posted October 4, 2008 Author Share Posted October 4, 2008 [quote name='Charla' post='299002' date='Oct 3 2008, 11:00 PM']I've got a maple neck fretless Precision, which was converted from fretted. Obviously when you pull out the frets there is damage to the finish of the neck which has to be stripped back so its best to refinish the neck with something hard wearing; I didn't do this myself and got a local luthier to do the work, that was back in 1989 and the neck still looks good and I use roundwounds! Cheers Charla[/quote] Thanks for that. BTW...we share the same birthday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 [quote name='bass_ferret' post='299016' date='Oct 3 2008, 11:30 PM']Maple necks are normally lacquered so like the man says you will need to refin after pulling the frets out anyway so just use a tougher laquer.[/quote] You can get some two-part yacht varnish which sets diamond hard in about an hour. I know someone who used it on a staircase, which must surely take more punishment than a neck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfalex v1.1 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 [quote name='budget bassist' post='299070' date='Oct 4 2008, 02:14 AM']Pau ferro FYI. Good to see you back by the way.[/quote] Yes, 'tis Pau Ferro ([i]iron wood[/i]) and +1 on Beedster's return. Welcome back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonBassAlpha Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 (edited) [quote name='alembic1989' post='299131' date='Oct 4 2008, 09:14 AM']I think what I'l probably do when the frets are pulled out is not to laquer as I don't like the feel of [size=3]shiny laquer [/size]under my fingers...I will do my best to wear out the neck...(.by practising more)..and then get an ebony board put on it at a (much) later stage..when I will hopefully be able to afford it....unless of course I have totally fallen in love with the feel of maple under my fingers....just a thought.[/quote] By the way, lacquer doesn't have to be shiny! you can knock the shine back to a lovely satin feel using fine scotchbrite or ultrafine wet and dry paper. Worth considering for the best of both worlds... Edited October 7, 2008 by MoonBassAlpha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonBassAlpha Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 [quote name='alembic1989' post='299131' date='Oct 4 2008, 09:14 AM']I think what I'l probably do when the frets are pulled out is not to laquer as I don't like the feel of [size=3][b]shiny laquer [/b][/size]under my fingers...I will do my best to wear out the neck...(.by practising more)..and then get an ebony board put on it at a (much) later stage..when I will hopefully be able to afford it....unless of course I have totally fallen in love with the feel of maple under my fingers....just a thought.[/quote] By the way, lacquer doesn't have to be shiny! you can knock the shine back to a lovely satin feel using fine scotchbrite or ultrafine wet and dry paper. Worth considering for the best of both worlds... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I would go and try out some fretless basses first. It's the only way you'll find out what you like. Usually maple has a brighter tone than ebony or rosewood. If you want a bright sound you should try some with a graphite neck too and see if you like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Don't quote me....... but I'm sure I read on a site somewhere that ebony had a brighter sound than maple??? I'll try and remember where I come across that info....a site that you could order your own wood etc for self builds??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dub Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Well I guess the safest thing to say is that all materials sound a bit different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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