punch - definition?

[cheddatom]

"punch" for me, would be transient attack, rather than frequency specific

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1472179462' post='3119193']
...Some songs are better suited with a clean Jameson sound...
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Did he ever have a clean sound? I'm sure most of what I've heard has been heavily compressed and pretty driven

[Dood]

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1472169455' post='3119163']
Where does Oomph start and end, then?
[/quote]

It ends before the Pah, Pah!

[Dood]

[quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1472190287' post='3119203']
You know when your eyes light up and your heart's lifted by a thread title; heft, punch, growl, utter bollox?


Edit: describing sound is like trying to describe an orgasm.
[/quote]

Oomph, punch, heft, growl - yeah that's pretty much how I'd describe it lol

On reflection, probably best not.

[Dood]

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1472162709' post='3119115']


Crikey. I always thought anything around 40Hz and below was like being rogered with God's mighty gut-jumbler.
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Ha ha ha!!!!

[JTUK]

JFDI..... if they call you back, they like you.
When enough of them call you back...you're on the right tracks.

After a while the penny will drop and you know what is required....

[Skol303]

Punch: notes with plenty of 'attack', so that the sound wave starts with a big, beefy peak that punches through clearly. Typical of players who use a pick or a harder finger style.

Heft: a tone that has plenty of junk in the trunk; one that's not shy about its low end and has lots going on sub 200Hz (giving it plenty of size and 'weight'). The sound wave looks like a ski jump.

Growl: this comes from having plenty going on in the mid-range, typically between 400Hz - 1kHz. Kinda like the opposite of a 'scooped' smiley face EQ - the growl tone looks like an angry, downturned mouth with a peak in the mids and trailing off towards the lows and highs. Grrr!

[Kevin Dean]

just fiddle with stuff until you get a sound you like

[chris_b]

[quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1472206145' post='3119399']
just fiddle with stuff until you get a sound you like
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+10

[RhysP]

Punch = what needs to be done to people who obsess over intangibles.

[Trueno]

[quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1472206145' post='3119399']
just fiddle with stuff until you get a sound you like
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That's what I do.

[Cosmo Valdemar]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1472166988' post='3119143']
I don't know what an Hz is.

For me punch is a delicate balance of your high and low end, clean with just the right amount if sustain.

Back in the 70s when I was able to manage an SVT, you flipped the on switch and you had punch right out of the gate.

Now with my GK 1001rb w/ 2 10s stacked on top of a 1 15 RBX cab and a fully loaded pedal board, I struggle to dial in the punch I would like.

Blue
[/quote]

So the tone is all in your fingers, but the punch is in the amp?

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1472179462' post='3119193']
If your playing songs by Korn, heavy distortion might come into the picture.


[/quote]

Sure, if you want to sound nothing like Korn...

[cheddatom]

[quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1472216657' post='3119544']
Sure, if you want to sound nothing like Korn...
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For that you just mic up a tambourine and put it through a Dod Meatbox

[SpondonBassed]

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1472163746' post='3119124']
It's a thankless task trying to describe sound, or the constituents of sound, in words... particularly if one man's heft is another man's punch and quite possibly a third man's cheese omelette. With ketchup.
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Then my quest to find the spelling of the sound of a raspberry is fruitless?

[Cosmo Valdemar]

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1472217931' post='3119561']
For that you just mic up a tambourine and put it through a Dod Meatbox
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[FinnDave]

I'm likely to worry my band at tonight's gig, as I collapse over my amp crying with laughter when I recall this thread as I try to find a decent sound!

I'd re-lable the tone controls on my amp 'heft' 'punch' and 'oomph', if only I could work out which was which.

[Trueno]

You don't have to worry about heft, punch and oomph controls if you get a wallop pedal.

[HowieBass]

Punch - something fruity with a bit of a kick? I'm thinking low mids too as it happens.

[blue]

[quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1472216657' post='3119544']


So the tone is all in your fingers, but the punch is in the amp?
[/quote]

Yeah, I kinda think that's the way I'd look at it.

Blue

[Painy]

So I guess it goes something like:

Heft
Punch
Growl
Clank
Zing

Oomph I'd imagine to just be a kind of hefty punch (or possibly a punchy heft).

It's that fretless Mmmwah that confuses me....

[samhay]

OK - so I see that the consensus is that there is no consensus.
But is punch any good for metal?

[SpondonBassed]

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1472224190' post='3119623']
I'd re-lable the tone controls on my amp 'heft' 'punch' and 'oomph', if only I could work out which was which.
[/quote]

I'm hoping that there might be an Ashdown employee here who will take that suggestion further. Maybe we need to label new amps with imogees instead...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbd4t-ua-WQ

Edited August 27, 2016 by SpondonBassed

[HowieBass]

[quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1472273106' post='3119945']
I'm hoping that there might be an Ashdown employee here who will take that suggestion further. Maybe we need to label new amps with imogees instead...
[/quote]

Errrm that's 'emojis' and don't Orange do it already?

[spectoremg]

[quote name='HowieBass' timestamp='1472286612' post='3120018']
Errrm that's 'emojis' and don't Orange do it already?


[/quote]A bass amp for drummers!

Edited August 27, 2016 by spectoremg

[SpondonBassed]

[quote name='HowieBass' timestamp='1472286612' post='3120018']
Errrm that's 'emojis' and don't Orange do it already?
[/quote]

Hahahahahahahahaha! As if spelling was going to mean owt to anyone using them. I like the hieroglyphs on that amp though.

[Trueno]

I had imogees once. Soon cleared up with the ointment.