cheddatom Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 "punch" for me, would be transient attack, rather than frequency specific [quote name='blue' timestamp='1472179462' post='3119193'] ...Some songs are better suited with a clean Jameson sound... [/quote] Did he ever have a clean sound? I'm sure most of what I've heard has been heavily compressed and pretty driven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1472169455' post='3119163'] Where does Oomph start and end, then? [/quote] It ends before the Pah, Pah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1472190287' post='3119203'] You know when your eyes light up and your heart's lifted by a thread title; heft, punch, growl, utter bollox? Edit: describing sound is like trying to describe an orgasm. [/quote] Oomph, punch, heft, growl - yeah that's pretty much how I'd describe it lol On reflection, probably best not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1472162709' post='3119115'] Crikey. I always thought anything around 40Hz and below was like being rogered with God's mighty gut-jumbler. [/quote] Ha ha ha!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTUK Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 JFDI..... if they call you back, they like you. When enough of them call you back...you're on the right tracks. After a while the penny will drop and you know what is required.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skol303 Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Punch: notes with plenty of 'attack', so that the sound wave starts with a big, beefy peak that punches through clearly. Typical of players who use a pick or a harder finger style. Heft: a tone that has plenty of junk in the trunk; one that's not shy about its low end and has lots going on sub 200Hz (giving it plenty of size and 'weight'). The sound wave looks like a ski jump. Growl: this comes from having plenty going on in the mid-range, typically between 400Hz - 1kHz. Kinda like the opposite of a 'scooped' smiley face EQ - the growl tone looks like an angry, downturned mouth with a peak in the mids and trailing off towards the lows and highs. Grrr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Dean Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 just fiddle with stuff until you get a sound you like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1472206145' post='3119399'] just fiddle with stuff until you get a sound you like [/quote] +10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Punch = what needs to be done to people who obsess over intangibles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueno Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1472206145' post='3119399'] just fiddle with stuff until you get a sound you like [/quote] That's what I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1472166988' post='3119143'] I don't know what an Hz is. For me punch is a delicate balance of your high and low end, clean with just the right amount if sustain. Back in the 70s when I was able to manage an SVT, you flipped the on switch and you had punch right out of the gate. Now with my GK 1001rb w/ 2 10s stacked on top of a 1 15 RBX cab and a fully loaded pedal board, I struggle to dial in the punch I would like. Blue [/quote] So the tone is all in your fingers, but the punch is in the amp? [quote name='blue' timestamp='1472179462' post='3119193'] If your playing songs by Korn, heavy distortion might come into the picture. [/quote] Sure, if you want to sound nothing like Korn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddatom Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1472216657' post='3119544'] Sure, if you want to sound nothing like Korn... [/quote] For that you just mic up a tambourine and put it through a Dod Meatbox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1472163746' post='3119124'] It's a thankless task trying to describe sound, or the constituents of sound, in words... particularly if one man's heft is another man's punch and quite possibly a third man's cheese omelette. With ketchup. [/quote] Then my quest to find the spelling of the sound of a raspberry is fruitless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1472217931' post='3119561'] For that you just mic up a tambourine and put it through a Dod Meatbox [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'm likely to worry my band at tonight's gig, as I collapse over my amp crying with laughter when I recall this thread as I try to find a decent sound! I'd re-lable the tone controls on my amp 'heft' 'punch' and 'oomph', if only I could work out which was which. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueno Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 You don't have to worry about heft, punch and oomph controls if you get a wallop pedal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowieBass Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 Punch - something fruity with a bit of a kick? I'm thinking low mids too as it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 [quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1472216657' post='3119544'] So the tone is all in your fingers, but the punch is in the amp? [/quote] Yeah, I kinda think that's the way I'd look at it. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painy Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 So I guess it goes something like: Heft Punch Growl Clank Zing Oomph I'd imagine to just be a kind of hefty punch (or possibly a punchy heft). It's that fretless Mmmwah that confuses me.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samhay Posted August 26, 2016 Author Share Posted August 26, 2016 OK - so I see that the consensus is that there is no consensus. But is punch any good for metal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) [quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1472224190' post='3119623'] I'd re-lable the tone controls on my amp 'heft' 'punch' and 'oomph', if only I could work out which was which. [/quote] I'm hoping that there might be an Ashdown employee here who will take that suggestion further. Maybe we need to label new amps with imogees instead... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbd4t-ua-WQ Edited August 27, 2016 by SpondonBassed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowieBass Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 [quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1472273106' post='3119945'] I'm hoping that there might be an Ashdown employee here who will take that suggestion further. Maybe we need to label new amps with imogees instead... [/quote] Errrm that's 'emojis' and don't Orange do it already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) [quote name='HowieBass' timestamp='1472286612' post='3120018'] Errrm that's 'emojis' and don't Orange do it already? [/quote]A bass amp for drummers! Edited August 27, 2016 by spectoremg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 [quote name='HowieBass' timestamp='1472286612' post='3120018'] Errrm that's 'emojis' and don't Orange do it already? [/quote] Hahahahahahahahaha! As if spelling was going to mean owt to anyone using them. I like the hieroglyphs on that amp though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueno Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I had imogees once. Soon cleared up with the ointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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