Bass Culture Posted October 7, 2016 Share Posted October 7, 2016 I don't know why but this guy seem to encapsulate all of the things I hate about modern music. I'm sure he's a nice bloke but his music is so tame, bland and twee; it has no emotional authenticity at all...discuss. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBass Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 I think the bit about emotional authenticity is subjective; by all accounts he's been through some pretty heavy personal stuff recently (albeit all of his own doing). Musically, though, yes I agree. There's nothing much to get excited about for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mykesbass Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Funny isn't it, modern music isn't supposed to appeal to people of my age, but instead of the previous shock and horror of Rock & Roll, Glam, Punk, and even New Romantics, the current bunch seem to have rebelled by going in the opposite direction, whiney, twee nonsense (a.k.a. Coldplay). Thank goodness for Grime, Kate Tempest and the Sleaford Mods! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1475916757' post='3149681'] Funny isn't it, modern music isn't supposed to appeal to people of my age, but instead of the previous shock and horror of Rock & Roll, Glam, Punk, and even New Romantics, the current bunch seem to have rebelled by going in the opposite direction, whiney, twee nonsense (a.k.a. Coldplay). Thank goodness for Grime, Kate Tempest and the Sleaford Mods! [/quote] The majority of youngsters have got it too good, nothing to rebel against. It seems to me that all the good musical revolutions came from hardship, angst, poverty, political tension, boredom, lack of jobs and a general hate of everything going on around you. Which makes me think if all the doom mongering press are correct then we should've had something exciting from the yoof by now. Edited October 8, 2016 by Maude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 (edited) There seems to be plenty to rebel against, but people seem to want to be spoon fed pre-packaged meals rather than going out and finding the ingredients. Everything appears to require a defined category before people seem to listen to something new. "Social Media" has a lot to answer for IMO. Bizarrely, I always thought that Keane were actually quite good (for public school-boys). Edited October 8, 2016 by Skybone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoonBassAlpha Posted October 8, 2016 Share Posted October 8, 2016 [quote name='Skybone' timestamp='1475948515' post='3150030'] Bizarrely, I always thought that Keane were actually quite good (for public school-boys). [/quote] Ha! On a forum I used to frequent, Keane, Coldplay and all that ilk, were referred to as "bedwetter core". I'm glad you reminded me of that, such a brilliant description! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 LOL. Bedwetter core, like it. Even more bizarrely, I have always found Coldplay to be insufferably whingy, whiny and full of their own self importance, and their music to be as dull as week old dishwater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted October 9, 2016 Share Posted October 9, 2016 I like Coldplay. Takes all sorts, dunnit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 This bloke's old band were part of the first wave of the New Beige genre which includes brain numbing gash like Snow Patrol, Coldplay etc with current luminaries including Ed Sheeran and umpteen other dull, acoustic toting singer-songwriters. I don't remember mainstream / chart music being ever as tepid and vanilla as it has been over the last half dozen years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Don't know if it's me, but I find that pretty much every featured artist on Later to be tepid. And I don't think it's just been over the last half dozen years, it seems that most of the new music from the turn of the century has been mediocre and somewhat insipid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 No Skybone, you're not alone. I don't know how JH can get so excited about the endless roster of identikit, dull as ditchwater indie bands and earnest singer-songwriterly types. About 20 series ago Later was interesting when it was more about bands like Tinariwen. There hasn't been owt like that for yonks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBass Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) Later...'s persistent reluctance to give rock music any significant coverage annoys me. Rock has an immense audience. I think Metallica were on once, I stand to be corrected. It's all about the record company pluggers... Edited October 11, 2016 by PaulGibsonBass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras52 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 [quote name='Barking Spiders' timestamp='1476174103' post='3151886'] I don't know how JH can get so excited about the endless roster of identikit, dull as ditchwater indie bands and earnest singer-songwriterly types. [/quote] The facade of hyperbole slips occasionally. I recall one episode featuring a standard-lowering performance from Glasvegas, and Jools's compering was along the lines of "the wonderful X", "the amazing Y", and.... "Glasvegas". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevB Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 [quote name='PaulGibsonBass' timestamp='1476175706' post='3151908'] I think Metallica were on once, I stand to be corrected. [/quote] Think they got on because they did a collaboration with Lou Reed. Sounded sh*te. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I'm not a huge rock fan but I dunno why the Later producers seem to go out of their way to avoid having metal and hard rock bands on. In recent series Mastodon and Royal Blood managed to sneak in. Mind you they don't seem much to keen on electronica either. with one act every few series. As for Glasvegas, well they're gash anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I don't know how true it is, but a fellow bass player told me a while back that record companies buy 'packages' of PR - which might include a slot here, a performance there, and that was how bands got on to 'Later', simply by buying their way on. As I say, I can't validate this, but it makes sense as to the amount of rubbish they put on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) [quote name='spongebob' timestamp='1476187880' post='3152065'] I don't know how true it is, but a fellow bass player told me a while back that record companies buy 'packages' of PR - which might include a slot here, a performance there, and that was how bands got on to 'Later', simply by buying their way on. As I say, I can't validate this, but it makes sense as to the amount of rubbish they put on! [/quote] I'm sure there are various agents and record company reps who lobby & pitch to get their 'artists' a slot on Later. I'd be very surprised if any money changes hands, I doubt the BBC would want to risk the scandal. Edited October 11, 2016 by Cato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrig Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I get the impression that Jools/producers dictate what the artists can play, for instance, the two songs Blackberry Smoke played were to me, bland and nondescript, I'm not a great Blackberry Smoke fan, but they have much better, and "rockier" songs than the ones they played in their locker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBass Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 (edited) [quote name='Cato' timestamp='1476188194' post='3152069'] I'm sure there are various agents and record company reps who lobby & pitch to get their 'artists' a slot on Later. I'd be very surprised if any money changes hands, I doubt the BBC would want to risk the scandal. [/quote] Yes absolutely, it's the pluggers job to get their acts on TV and radio. As you say money doesn't change hands but there are other 'favours' that ease the path... Edited October 11, 2016 by PaulGibsonBass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borntohang Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 [quote name='Cato' timestamp='1476188194' post='3152069'] I'm sure there are various agents and record company reps who lobby & pitch to get their 'artists' a slot on Later. I'd be very surprised if any money changes hands, I doubt the BBC would want to risk the scandal. [/quote] Yeah, it is what it is. Jools is playing to a certain market and rock and metal just isn't a big feature of that demographic right now. He does do much charitable service for world/jazz/funk etc. at least. He's found a formula that works and sticks to it: new charting act crusty pop legend on second career big current pop act jazz or soul legend acoustic bedwetter vaguely credible new indie act token electronic/rap/other tibetan throat singer or sim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ras52 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Ooh, I found out I've got tickets for a show in January. Will report back on bass levels! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 There have been some great performances - Jesus And Mary Chain, At The Drive In, Ruby....3 that stick out in my mind. Shame they were all in the 90s..the show is definitely coasting in the 00s. I did enjoy Madness in this series, though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrig Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I've watching Empire Of The Sun on Jools as I write this, and I have to say that the set was very impressive and very unusual for LWJ, but the song did nothing for me I'm afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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