Carol Kaye

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Carol has an interesting Facebook page, which she often updates and will chat with you quite happily.[/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
https://www.facebook.com/Carol-Kaye-II-168440386566810/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf[/font][/color]
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If you don't like doing Facebook - Some stuff from her timeline.[/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]"STUDIO MUSICIANS of 1950s-60s-70s, all Independently hired, never a "band" like stage-musicians, the Top Professionals with years of experience before ever doing Studio Work, Hollywood:[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]There were around 350 really great studio musicians who played together, created lines together (especially the rhythm sections), and had the right attitude to constantly work some round-the-clock hours almost every day of the year to help create and perform in the studios. My fellow studio musicians and I had no idea this music would live on so well, but it's awfully nice to be driving in the car and hear.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]The coffee and vending machines got a work out too as sometimes we had to eat out of cans (no time to eat), sleep on our 5-minute break on the floor (get 8 hours sleep a night, are you kidding?), run to the next date. People used to ask how you got in the studios, we'd all say: "learn how to grab a parking place, don't be late, and carry a pencil, don't be egotistical, oh and yes, know how to create, read music and play your --- off".[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Mostly family-oriented musicians who were respected, in-demand, no-nonsense coffee-driven (yes) and there were some pretty funny moments too, plenty of one-liners at times. These are some of the musicians playing on your favorite past recordings, movies, TV shows:[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Drums: Charley Blackwell, Earl Palmer, Sharky Ed Hall, Hal Blaine, Jesse Sailes, John Guerin, Paul Humphrey, Panama Francis, Shelly Manne, Alvin Stoller, Irv Cottler, Jim Keltner, Louis Bellson, Ed Thigpen, Jake Hanna, Ed Shaughnessey, Jeff Porcaro, Nick Ceroli, Harold Jones, Mel Lewis, Larry Bunker, James Gadson, Ed Greene, Ron Tutt, Jack Sperling, Frankie Capp, Jackie Mills, Harvey Mason, Sol Gubin, Cubby O'Brien, Jim Gordon, Dick Shanahan, Frank DeVito.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Percussion: Gene Estes, Gary Coleman, Emil Richards, Julius Wechter, Joe Porcaro, Lou Singer, Jerry Williams, Victor Feldman, Laudir, Milt Holland, Bobbye Hall, Jack Lord, Alan Estes, Kenny Watson, Jack Arnold, Frank Flynn, Tommy Vig, Dale Anderson, Jerry Steinholtz, Larry Bunker, Hal Rees, Jack Costanza, Dick Shanahan, Stan Levey, Laudir.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Guitar: Rene Hall, Howard Roberts, Bud Coleman, Tommy Tedesco, Barney Kessel, Tony Rizzi, Billy Strange, Glen Campbell, Allen Reuss, Bobby Gibbons, Bob Bain, Dennis Budimer, John Gray, Bill Pitman, Al Casey, Al Hendrikson, Irving Ashby, Mundell Lowe, Mike Anthony, Lou Morell, Al Viola, Ray Pohlman, Arthur Wright, Nick Bonney, Toots Thielemans, Don Peake, Charles Wright, James Burton, Dean Parks, Mitch Holder, Mike D'Asey, David Cohen, Jerry Cole, Charley Chiarenza, Neil LeVang, David T. Walker, Larry Carlton, John Collins, Jim Helms, Al Vescovo, Louie Shelton, Ralph Grasso, Don Lawrence.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Keyboards: Don Randi, Leon Russell, Mike Melvoin, Arnold Ross, Larry Knechtal, Ray Johnson, Joe Sample, Clare Fischer, Larry Muhoberac, Pete Jolly, Lincoln Mayorga, Jimmy Jones, Gerald Wiggins, Mike Rubini, Don Abney, Mike Lang, Roger Kellaway, Billy Preston, Artie Butler, Clark Gassman, Russ Freeman, Dave Grusin, Mac Rabbennec, Gene Garf, Al DeLory, Gene Page, JoAnn Grauer, Pearl Kaufman, Paul Beaver (1st sysnthesizer), Jimmy Rowles, Ian Underwood, Ralph Grierson.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Saxes: Plas Johnson, Bill Green, Steve Douglas, Jackie Kelso, Jim Horn, Jay Migliori, Gene Cipriano, Abe Most, Willie Schwartz, Marshall Royal, Bob Hardaway, John Klemmer, Bud Shank, Paul Horn, Tony Ortega, Buddy Collette, Ted Nash, Bob Cooper, Ronnie Lang, John Bambridge, Pete Crisleib, Tom Scott, John Lowe, Julie Jacobs, Babe Rustin, Dick Houlgate, Harry Klee, Bill Holman, Harold Batiste, Chuck Gentry, Justin Gordon, Benny Golson, Bill Hood, Jack Montrose, Ernie Watts, Jack Nimitz, Don Menza, Gary Foster, Rene Bloch, Jack Dumont.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Trumpets: Ollie Mitchell, Tony Terran, John Audino, Pete & Conte Candoli, Blue Mitchell, Jules Chaiken, Bud Brisbois, John Best, Harry "Sweets" Edison, Cat Anderson, Virgil Evans, Bobby Shew, Chuck Findley, Paul Hubonen, Cappy Lewis, Manny Klein, Don Rader, Roy Caton, Buddy Childers, Ray Triscari, Bobby Bryant, Don Ellis, Maurey Harris, Steve Hufstetter, Oscar Brashear, Uan Rasey, Snooky Young, Jay Daversa, Al Aarons, Lee Katzman, Freddy Hill, Bill Peterson, Conrad Gozzo, Al Porcino, Jack Dumont.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Trombones: Lew McCreary, Dick Nash, Milt Bernhart, Dick Noel, Bob Enevoldsen, Harry Betts, Billy Byers, Tommy Shepard, Gail Martin, Lloyd Ulyate, George Roberts, Bob Brookmeyer, George Bohanon, Gil Falco, Bobby Knight, Charlie Loper, Dick Gould, Vern Friely, Kenny Shroyer, Mike Barone, Grover Mitchell, Dick Hyde, Lou Blackburn, JJ Johnson, Dave Wells, Curt Berg, Frank Rossolino, Tommy Pederson, Dick Leith, Chris Riddle, Paul Tanner, Dick McQuary, Ernie Tack.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]String Bass: Chuck Hamilton, Joe Comfort, Don Bagley, Adlophus Alsbrook, Al McKibbon, Chuck Berghofer, James Bond, Red Mitchell, Red Calender, Lyle Ritz, Buddy Clark, Cliff Hils, Ray Brown, Joe Mondragon, Ralph Pena, Steve LaFever, Monty Budwig, Irving Edelman, Chuck Domanico, Abe Luboff, Jim Hughart, Morty Corb, Gene Cerico, Bob Stone, Frank De La Rosa, Ray Durand, Bob West, Peter Mercurio, Mike Rubin, Ed Gilbert, Nat Gangursky, Abe Siegel, Sid Weiss, Jerry Scheff, Carson Smith, Rolly Bundock, Don Greif, Ray Neopolitan, Mel Pollan, Bob Berteaux, Max Bennett, Ray Siegel, Milt Kestenbaum, Arni Egilsson, John Kitzmiller.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Elec. Bass: Ray Pohlman (first No. 1 call studio bassist LA 1957-1964+, was musical conductor of "Shindig" TV Show), Arthur Wright, Rene Hall, Bob West, Larry Knechtel, Buddy Clark, Chuck Berghofer, Jim Hughart, Joe Osborn, Max Bennett, Steve LeFever, Jerry Scheff, Lyle Ritz.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Strings: John Vidor, Harry Bluestone, Lenny Malarsky, George Poole, Ed Lustgarten, Virginia Gill, Jimmy Getzoff, Eleanor Slatkin, Fred Katz, Ray Kramer, Tibor Zelig, Erno Neufelder, Fred Seykora, Bobby Bruce, Nate Kaproff, Jerry Reisler, Sid Sharpe, Al Saparoff, Anatol Kaminsky, Ray Kelley, Jerome Kessler, Ann Karam, Arnold Belnick, Marshall Sassoon, Jerry Vinci, Henry Lojewsky, Israel Baker, Bob Sushel, William Kurasch.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Harmonica: Tommy Morgan, Toots Thielemans.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]French Horns: Vince De Rosa, Dick Perissi, Bill Hinshaw, David Duke, Willie Ruff, Dwight Carver.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Harpists: Catherine Gotthoffer, Dorothy Remsen, Stella Castellucci, Gayle Levant, Verlye Mills, Joy ______[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Accordian: Carl Fortina, Pete Jolly, Frank Marocco, Dominic Frontiere, Jimmy Haskell.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Synthesizer: Paul Beaver.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Sousaphone & Tuba: John Kitzmiller[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Studio Singers: Jackie Ward, B.J. (Betty Jane) Baker -singer-contractor, Gracia Nitzche, Bob Alcivar Singers, Billie Barnum, Susie Tallman, Gordon Mitchell, Gene Morford, Ian Smith, Ron Hickland singers, Randy Van Horne Singers (Vangie, B.J., Mary, Hugh, Bob Zwern, Sue, Allen), the Blossoms (Darlene Love, Fanita, Jean King), Johnny Mann Singers, Jack Halloran Singers, Jimmy Joyce Singers, John & Tom Bahler, Al Capps (Eligibles), George Tipton, Ian Freebairn-Smith, Brenda & Pat Holloway, Clydie King, Ray Pohlman, Loren Farber, Thurl Ravenscroft, Tom Bosley, Betty Burke, Barbara Caton, Clark Gassman, Don Robertson, Scott Page, Merrie Clayton, Sally Stevens, Larry Hooper, Peggy Schwartz, Gwen Johnson.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]There are more than this list, but this gives you a picture of the musicianship, a real family of talented people, who made 1,000s of recordings of the late 50s, 60s, 70s, etc.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]I want to THANK my personal Cartage Company, Modern Van, for the great daily amplifier deliveries to various studios I recorded at each day. They provided me with terrific accurate support. ll I had to do was run in the studio and tune-up - one of my amps was always there, all set up, and turned on, ready to go.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Thanks to: Ed Van Sloten (owner), Ron Trowbridge, Ray Metz, Bill Gibson, Donny Patterson, Pat Anthony Arvonis, Bob Coco, Larry & Ron. FYI, Bill & Donny later started Superior Musical, and another Modern Van part-timer named Ken started S.I.R.![/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]It was an experience to be recording while 60s assassinations, Viet Nam War, racial strife, and marches were going on in the outside world. Altho' we were sort of "isolated" we were all affected by such dramatic changes in the world, the music reflects that.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]We knew the music was being appreciated, and that mattered very much, plus the music helped many a film and TV Show too in those dark cavern-like studios with the big screens with a constant click-track on in your earphones in sync with the film.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Many a chase scene had the excitement of a Quincy Jones score (lots of bass), or a bedroom scene with sentimental trombone solos of a great David Grusin score, soft pop-jazz or exciting music of Michel LeGrand, or the excitement of a car-truck duel ("Dual", Spielberg's 1st film, I was the "truck" sometimes, don't laugh, it paid well).[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Who can forget the "Mission Impossible" and MASH music? "Airport", "Sweet Charity" & "Thomas Crown Affair" had their own great scores. And Bill Cosby would join in on tambourine for his TV show music. These are precious memories. The contractors would hired us (at the behest of the conductor, A&R man, arranger, or ?) and sometimes be a little strict (no talking etc.), so we'd get a quick relief at the water fountain on our "five", run for a minute to wake the blood up, call into the phone service which had lines in all the studios to take more record dates etc., it was frantic. Do I miss it? You bet I do, nothing like it, and we all miss each other too, they were the best![/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Studios:[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Studios at which I've recorded over the years: Radio Recorders, Gold Star, Radio Recorders Annex & 10-H (R. R. 10-H was later known as TTG), United, Western, El Do (El Dorado), Capitol, Harmony House, Nashville-West, Westwood, H-R (Henry Russell), TTG, Audio Arts, Moonglow, Steiners (Formosa St.), Hollywood Sound, Heider's, Conway, World Pacific (later known as Liberty), RCA, International Sound, Neophone, Ted's Studio, Crown Records, CBS, Columbia, Del Fi, Hollywood Central, Sunset Sound, Rendezvous, Ryder Sound, Stereo Masters, Whitney Studios, RPM, Glenn-Glenn, Fox, Universal, MGM, Desilu, Columbia Studios, Paramount, Disney, Warner Bros., CBS Valley, CBS Fairfax, Emperor, American, Ultimate, Louis Jackson's, Bell Sound, McGregor's, Valentine's, LA Sound, Continental Sound, Stereo Fi, Goldwyn, RJ, Original Sound, Amigo, Venture, Record Plant, Hollywood Sound, Independent, Decca, Revolution Records in Toronto Can., Sound Factory, ID Sound, A&M, Sun-West, Studio Center, Dimension, Hollywood Video, Poppi, ABC-Dunhill, MGM-Fairfax, Abbey, Haji Sound, Devonshire, Cherokee, Sound Labs. Also some various studios in Nashville, San Francisco, NYC, Kansas City, Ojai, San Diego, Denver, Golden West, Vox, and Decca.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Engineers:[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Some Engineers with whom I've worked:
Thorn Nogar, Lowell Frank, Artie Becker, Stan Ross, Larry Levine, Al Schmitt, Ami Hadani, Henry Lewy, Wally Heider, Pete Abbot, Lee Herschberg, Bones Howe, Leo Kulka, Walter Gest, John Krause, Chuck Britz, David Wickes, Armin Steiner, Dave Hassenger, Eddie Brackett, Dick Bogart, Rudy Hill, Hank Cicalo, Joe Polito, Hugh Davies, Buddy Brundo, Larry Brown, Wally Traugott, Val Garay, Humberto Gatica, Ed Green, Bruce Botnick, Don Blake, Bill Perkins, John Boyd, Lee DeCarlo, Angel Balestier, Bud Morris, Bob Doherty, Don Geis, Michael Braunstein, John Mills, Ian Eales, Joel Fein, Tim Boyle, Mickey Crawford, Jay Lewis, Murray McFadden, Joel Moss, Don Murray, John Neal, Jim Lockert, Joe Sidore, Guy Costa, John Boyd, Andy Richardson, Bowen David, Eirik Wangberg, Hugh Davies, Hildegard Hersch, Bryan Bruderlin, Jimmy Lockert.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Producers:[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Some Producers for whom I've worked: Bumps Blackwell, Herb Alpert, David Cavenaugh, Lester Sill, Bob Alcivar, Sonny Burke, David Axelwood, Al Hazan, Bodie Chandler, Cliffie Stone, Joe Hooven, Mike Lloyd, Stu Phillips, Jack Lee, Neely Plumb, Brian Wilson, Phil Spector, Tommy Allsup, Sonny Bono, Ike Turner, Scotty Turnbull (Turner), Lou Gottlieb, Jim Haskell, Al DeLory, Bill Justis, Rex Dennis, Murray Wilson, Randy Woods, Art Boduhn, Larry Gordon, Fred Smith, Lou Adler, Wilder Bros., Kelly Gordon, Rich Delvy, Bob Keene, Randy Woods, Joe Reisman, Milt Rogers, Nino Tempo, Barry Devorzan, Dick Glasser, Marty Cooper, Jerry Riopelle, Nick Venet, Fred Darien, Al Allen, Dick Pierce, Kim Farley, Kim Weston, Don Crawford, Hank Russell, Joe Leahy, Jimmy Bowen, Lou Adler, Rene Hall, Joe Saraceno, Lou Bedell, Lennie Waronker, Joe Green, Barry White, Ron Shanklin, Gary Ziegly, Dick Bock, Randy Newman, Bill Justis, Don Crawford, Maxwell Davis, Jan Berry, Lee Young, Marc Gordon, Hal Davis, Frank Wilson, Randy Sparks, Dick Burns, Green/Stone, Gary Lewis, Lee Hazelwood, Mike Curb, Dennis Lambert, Al Kooper, Dave Pell, Ben Johnston, Snuffy Garrett, Jerry Fuller, Chuck Sagle, Leon Russell, Frank Zappa, Charles Stern, Lou Raymond, Kip Tyler, Russ Titelman, Gary Usher, Geo. Garabedian, Don Crawford, Richard Perry, Morty Stevens, Eddie Beal, Jerry Long.....[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Arrangers:[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Some Arrangers for whom I've worked: H.B. Barnum, Perry Botkin, George tipton, Jack Nitzschie, Ray Pohlman, Bob Alcivar, Gene Page, Don McGinnis, Pete King, Victor Mizzy, Lyn Murray, Quincy Jones, Billy Strange, Howard Roberts, Johnny Manne, Harold Batiste, Frank DeVol, Henry Mancini, Tom Scott, Lalo Schifrin, David Rose, Ernie Freeman, Art Freeman, Shorty Rogers, Oliver Nelson, Jerry Long, Gil Askey, Allan Copeland, Louie Jordan, Clare Fischer, Nelson Riddle, Michel LeGrand, Michel Columbier, Harry Sukman, Billy Goldenberg, Clark Gassman, Lincoln Mayorga, Don Ralke, Joe Green, Dee Marton, Billy May, Billy Byers, Jack Elliot, Don Ellis, Benny Golson, Sid Feller, Allan Copeland, Oliver Nelson, Tutti Camaratta, Ian Smith, Billy Vaughn, Jeff Barry, Lionel Newman, Alfred Newman, Mort Garson, Don Peake, Ray Conniff, Don Costa, Elmer Bernstein, Percy Faith, Artie Butler, Jack Hayes, John Bahler, Marty Paich, Jeff Alexander, Jack Eskew, Sy Mitchell, Lex Aznevous, Ralph Burns, Bob Prince, Al Sindray, Hugo Montenegro Tony Hatch, Johnny Mandel, Roger Kellaway, Nick DeCaro, Julius Wechter, J. J. Johnson, Jerry Goldsmith, Al Capps, David Gates, Mike Melvoin, Hank Levine, Arthur Wright, Bob Bain, Sid Feller, Rene Block, Benny Carter, Burt Bachrach, John Williams, Dave Grusin, Bob Florence, Fred Karlin, Fred Myrow, Bob Thompson, Monk Higgins, Gene McDaniels, Don Piestrup, Jerry Fielding, David Shire, Les Baxter, Mickey Whelan, David Blumberg, Leonard Rosenman, Harry Geller, dick Orsoff, Syd Ramin, Harley Hutcherson, Dallas Smith, Jack Dougherty, Jewel Grant, Jerry Steiner, Marshall Leib, Nester Leavante, Gene Norman, Geo. De Barrio, Gary Paxton.... Also some vip Music Copyists: Bill Hughes, Vern Yocum. Bob Ross, Roger Farris, Bob Bornstein, Dave Ward, Duayne Tatro, George Romanis, Richard Markowitz, John Eizade, Robert Mersey, Haygood Hardy, etc.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Contractors:[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Contractors (who hired studio musicians, usually at the behest of the arrangers/producers) for whom I worked: George Poole, Ben Barrett, Marty Berman, Jack Gruberman, Mike Rubin, Hy Lesnick, Sid Sharpe, Mike Post, Al Lapin, Urban Theilman, Ed Cobb, Jules Chaiken, Bobby Helfer, Viola and Marion Klein, Roxy Roth, Jim Bond, Don Lenier, John Vidor, Nate Caproff, Lennie Malarsky, Bill Miller, Sandy DeCrescent, Lloyd Basham, Mike Rubini, Abe Segal, Kurt Wolf, Sol Gruberman, Charles Price, Herman Berardenelli, Phil Kahgen, Jack Schulman, ___Davidson, Charlie Price, Bernard Berardinelli....[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]CAROL'S GEAR: Ibanez SRX700 Bass, Thomastik-Infeld Jazz Flats strings, GK MB150S-iii Amp, Ibanez RG321 with Seymour Duncan Humbucker Jazz Pickup Alnico Pro II, with Thom. George Benson Elec. Jazz Guitar Flat strings etc., TI Benson Flats Strings for Jazz playing.[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Bass used in 1960s studio work: Fender Precision w/Fender Flatwound Strings, always with a pick. Fender Concertone 4-10 amp, then in late 60s, Versatone amp. -- on website Biography Page since 1997.
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Studio Musicians, are in the following books:[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Books: September In The Rain, a biography on Nelson Riddle, tremendous great Arranger! by the great author Peter J. Levinson.
The Oracles of Del Phi, an auto-biography by Bob Keane (his name was spelled Keene in 1960s), fine prolific producer (Ritchie Valens, did some Motown producing also - Barry White - yes I'm on bass on 1960s Barry White hits and 1950s Ritchie Valens hits on guitar etc., others).
Back-Beat, The Earl Palmer Story, the real #1 Studio Drummer on records (many many hits) since 1947 through 2000's, created many fine drum styles in Hollywood (began recording 1947 in New Orleans) as well as on TV and films (Mission Impossible, Bullitt, In Heat of The Night etc.) .............[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]And the fine Chuck Granata books on both Brian Wilson, and Frank Sinatra. Chuck, btw, is the producer of the Siriously Sinatra cable music channel show. The new Howard Roberts Tribute Film Documentary is done, with most of our interviews in it....a great film released Jan. 22, 2015! We all loved Howard and this film has our true interviews in it.....it's about professional Studio Musicians as well as Howard's life and career...............[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]Also, I am preparing my book too, others are also. There's also much film in the can, awaiting to be finished for public consumption of our interviews in the past. My own book will be finished this year, late summer 2016..[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]We were always only known as Studio Musicians, 100s each year recording records, movie scores (and later TV-film shows) known in Hollywood as "Studio Musicians" since 1920s, totally independent of each other - not ever a "band" at all, nothing to do with the stage world...dedicated Studio Musicians were highly respected and well-paid, it was a good business - 350-400 Studio Musicians were recording day and night in 1960s and early 70s, never known by any other name, all working/recording day and night in the 1960s recording 1,000s of record dates, movie and TV film scores. Carol Kaye [url="http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.carolkaye.com%2F&h=IAQGU3HDUAQEB6OO541wCUneEVgASaNbpWLjERT8tgJTsHg&enc=AZNh_tSV8EyxaoFhzE2tarxQzhkpx0W7befYk8f1kegdmRlLv-sv8nIRFzM05Cju8aB-SqTZUFYuhH1f00Gn7nZcooPNHNbha9nWGd0mkmKYc4bsEJ2KGaHwsw23ByoUiL5BfoV7zOwfsawMSuVRmq645MB8YT3w98eeSu9uxsTDuX2aZupKvueGjBRsd-myuPoAl2DHZl5-R8TZnVXtxlYV&s=1"]www.carolkaye.com[/url] see LIBRARY - FAQ pages, also names of most Studio Musicians on my Biography Page since my website went up 1996.
PS. The 50-60 of us 1st Call Studio Musicians (meaning the recording co's called us first, but used whoever they could get usually), were occasionally called the "Clique" the 50-60 of us First-Call popular Studio Musicians - ALL indpendently hired, [/i]never someone's "ba[i]nd" ......"[/i][/font][/color]

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[i]"Part of 1965, according to my LOG and Appointment book - even tho' a few might be marked "guitar", it was usually all bass as I was 1st Call on bass but they sometimes wanted me to overdub guitar too - they were all used to hiring me for guitar work too (since 1957):[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]5/11 2-5 Sunset Sound, Bumble B & Stingers, Instrus, Rod Pierce, Rene Hall
5/11 8PM Capitol A, Steve D., bass and Dano
5/12 1PM-4PM Western, Beach Boys, 1 track, Steve D. bass
5/13 2PM Columbia, Doris Day, Jules Chaiken, bass
5/13 8PM Capitol, Bishops, Ben Barrett
5/14 2PM Sunset Sound 2 hours, Mike
5/14 9:30AM Nashville-W 2 tunes HB
5/15 12 Noon, United B, (Colpix), Delvy Prods, Ben Barrett
5/15 3:30PM United B, (Colpix(), Delvy Prods, Ben Barrett, Jack Millman
5/17 2PM United B, Talent Residuals, Brach’s Candies Ad, bass. Blaine
5/17 8:30PM Columbia, Jan Davis Jan & Dean, Columbia
5/18 2PM Sun. Sound, Disney, Don Randi, Promenade
5/19 10-1PM Capitol, Instru’s H.B. Barnum
5/19 8PM RCA A, Lorne Green, Ben Barrett
5/20 11AM Harmony Hse. Ernie Freeman 1 tune, 12-string E
5/20 8PM Capitol, Girl, Earl Palmer - H.B.
5/21 10-1PM Sun. Sound, Billy Preston, Gene Page, Bob Yory, Ben Barrett
5/21 8PM Sunset Sound, Rene, V-J
5/24 9-12 Noon Columbia, Jan Davis, bass, Columbia
5/24 1PM Western, film score, Lippert Films, Jim Haskell, Ben Bar. bass
5/24 8PM RCA A, Lorne Green, Ben Bar. Dano and bass
5/25 H-R bass OD 1
5/27 9AM -12:30 H-R, Bud, bass and 12
5/27 1-4PM Capitol, Geo. Chikaris, H.B. Barnum, Earl Palmer
5/28 1-4PM Capitol, Geo. Chikaris, H.B. Barnum, Earl Palmer
5/28 12 Noon, VJ Lee[/i][/font][/color][color=#1D2129][font=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]
[i]June 1 United, Earl Palmer, 4-Star TV
June 2 Sunset Sound, Marc Gordon, Motown
6/2 Capitol, H.B., Earl Palmer
6/3 1-4PM Harmony House, Barney Kessel
6/3 8PM RCA A Lorne Green, Ben B.
6/4 9AM Audio Arts, Jim Haskell
6/4 1:30PM 5 hours Ryder’s, American Int’l Film Score, Gruberman
6/5 43rd and Western H.B. Dixie BBW Dance
6/8 8PM-11PM Capitol A, H.B. Earl Palmer, bass
6/10 2PM-5PM Western, Ernie Freeman, Sid Sharpe, Larchmont
6/10 8-11PM Capitol, Frankie Laine, Earl Palmer
6/11 10-1PM Western, Bill Bates, Babe Ruth ad, Swift transcription
6/11 2-5PM Whitney, Eligibles, Al Capp, Fred Rice
6/11 8-11PM Sun. Sound, Tutti’s Trombones, Gypsy Promenade
6/12 2-5PM Sunset Sound, Tutti’s Trombones, Gypsy Promenade
6/13 11AM Nashville W H.B.
6/14 10-12 Noon, Gold Star, Al Capp, Talent Residuals, rhy. & E.6, Trans. Brach’s Candy
6/14 5-Midnight RCA C, Billy Strange, GNP bass
6/14 5-Midnight RCA C, Billy Strange, GNP bass (double date)
6/15 10:30-1:30 Gold Star, Geo. Tipton
6/15 2-5PM Gold Star, Jewel Akens, Don Ralke
6/15 5:30-8:30PM Capitol, Ray Anthony (Tony Terran did trumpet solos)
6/15 9-1AM United B, T-Bones Alka Seltzer, Liberty, bass, Blaine
6/16 9AM Western McGregor, Art Bardun (Neil LeVang)
6/16 2PM RCA A, 4 hrs. Bobby Vee, Jody Miller, Billy Strange, picture date, Dano
6/17 10AM-12 Noon Western, Trans. TV spot, Kellogg’s Barney Kessel, bass
6/17 8PM Capitol, Steve D. bass
6/18 12:30 - 3:30PM United B, Elliott, Disc- Malarsky
6/18 4PM-7PM Sun. Sound, Berl Davis, Don Randi, Peter Potter
6/18 7:30PM-10:30PM RCA C, Billy Strange, GNP
6/21 10-1PM H-R, Helen, Worchester, bass
6/21 5-8PM Leon, RCA B, guitars
6/21 8:30PM-11:30PM Capitol, Glen Campbell, Ben Barrett
6/22 2-5 RCA B, Leon Russell, 2 tracks Joe & Eddie
6/22 5-8PM Capitol, Glen Campbell, Ben Barrett
6/22 9-12 Mid. Capitol, Glen Campbell, Ben Barrett (double date)
6/23 10AM Nashville W, H.B. Rose (2)
6/24 2-5 Capitol, Jody Miller, Ben Barrett
6/24 5PM El Do, rhy. Guitar Don
6/24 8PM Capitol, Kay Starr, Ernie Freeman
6/24 10-1 United A, Vic Dana, Tom Tedesco
6/25 10-1PM United A Vic Dana, Tom Tedesco
6/25 6-9PM United A, Vic Dana (double date)
6/25 2-5PM Cap. B, Ben, Dano
6/29 2-5PM Columbia, Rene Hall
6/29 7-10 Gold Star, Al Allen, Shontex ad
6/30 2-5PM Sunset Sound, Jack N. Berkeley Pictures, Valley-Green, Ben B.
6/30 8-11PM Capitol B, Hank Levine
July 1 9-12, Capitol, Howard Roberts, bass and guitar
July 1 1PM Harmony, Ern. Freeman
7/1 8-11PM Capitol, Daxes, Earl Palmer, bass
7/2 3-6PM Capitol, Daxes, Earl Palmer, bass
7/6 10AM-1PM Capitol, Jody Miller, Steve D.
7/6 2-5PM Capitol, S. Douglas, Donna Loren
7/6 9-12 Mid. H-R Grove (2)
7/7 7:30PM 3 hrs. Gold Star, Thriftimart Jingle Ad, Al Allen, Lennie
7//8 1:30PM Western, Jim Haskell, Chasloy co. Girl, bass
7//8 8-11PM Gold Star, Mike Curb, Mercury, bass
7/9 12AM to 3AM, Capitol, Jody Miller, Steve D., bass (Strange)
7/9 1-4PM Sunset Sound, “I Love Lucy Theme”, Ben Barrett
7/9 7-10PM Gold Star, TJs, Don Randi 3-hr. Date for TV, Philles
7/10 Harmony House, Don Ralke, bass
7/12 6PM CBS, TV Show - TJ’s, Don Randi
7/13 Midnight-3AM, Western B, Beach Boys, Steve D., bass 1 track
7/13 11AM - 8:30PM CBS TV, Don Randi, TJ’s TV show
7/12 Western, Beach Boys, Sloop John B, Steve D.
7/15 10-1PM Sunset Sound, Seeburg Instru’s, Don Randi, Talent Residuals
7/15 2-5PM Sunset Sound, Seeburg Instru’s, Don Randi, Talent Residuals (double date)
7/15 7-10PM RCA B, Tracey Instru’s, Cliff White, Rene Hall
7/16 11AM-2PM Sun. Sound, Fred Hughes, Lee Young, Melic
7/16 2PM Gold Star, Jingle Al Allen, Chasloy
7/16 4:30PM Western, Sea & Ski Jingle, Foote/Cone, Billy Strange, bass
7/16 8-11PM Gold Star, Instru’s, Mike Curb
7/17 12:30-3:30PM Western, Don Ralke
7/19 2-5 United A, Patty Duke, Blaine, U.I.
7/19 8-11PM Western 2, Shorty Rogers, Jackie Mills Instru’s, Mainstream, bass
7/20 10-1PM H-R, Mike Curb/Joe Leahy, Worchester
7/20 2-5PM United B, Jackie Mills, Instru’s Shorty Rogers
7/21 10-1pm Gold Star, Al Allen, Schilling ad, Malarsky bass
7/21 2-4pm Annex, Knudsen Buttermilk, Billy Strange, John El. 6
7/21 8-11PM Capitol B, Four Preps, Lincoln M., Spectra
7/22 1:15AM - 3AM World Pac. Sandy Nelson, Dave Pell, Liberty, guitar
7/22 3-6PM World Pac. Sandy Nelson, Dave Pell, Liberty
7/22 United B, Falstaff ad (Rosie Grier), Al McKibbon
7/22 8-11PM Capitol, H.B. Instrumentals
7/23 8-11PM Western, Jack N., Colpix, guitar...."[/i][/font][/color]

[Hobbayne]

[quote name='CrackerJackLee' timestamp='1479636711' post='3177929']
You may place me on Colin's "Ignore List" if your little hearts desire, or Ban Me From The Kingdom... But I think the trick here is to not accuse women of lying unless you have some proof. And British people should know better. Why does a Canadian have to come all this way to teach you some manners. Especially someone as accomplished as Carol Kaye. Laddies, if you do it again.. I'll be back...!
[/quote]

Hi, welcome back. Your Canadian now are you??

[spencer.b]

I love carol's playing and I'd rather spend my time listening to her or learning her lines than arguing about her disputed claims !!

[Beer of the Bass]

The history of popular music is full of figures about whom I find myself thinking "Fantastic musician, I wish they didn't do [i]that [/i]though". On the scale of things [i]that [/i]could be, making potentially exaggerated claims about your discography is pretty innocuous really. So like some other posters, I'd rather listen to and read about her playing than go over and over those claims.

[stingrayPete1977]

I don't know why we bother with a judicial system, scientists, surveys and investigations costing millions when there is ALWAYS a guy on the internet who knew all the facts all along!

[arthurhenry]

Of course Kaye played with a pick, whereas Jamerson used a finger, so isolated bass tracks might offer up some points of interest/more confusion. Imagine if ordinary, non musician music fans knew that these types of discussion take place!

[CrackerJackLee]

[quote name='Raymondo' timestamp='1479637546' post='3177938']
Getting all fired up defending Carol Kaye over disputed Jamerson tracks, whilst having Jamerson listed as one of your interest in your avatar....[/quote]

I've been playing along with James Jamerson's Motown work since 1967. He's the greatest bass player of all time. And I get real close to his sound. Just because I defend Carol Kaye against a group of English goons who need to spend their afternoons maligning her accomplishments, and who are jealous of her achievements, doesn't mean I dislike Jamerson. Where is your logic, there...?

Kaye and Jamerson are not enemies. They never were. This is not a zero-sum game. This thread should be shut down for disrespecting a true artist. There is plenty of room in the world for their legacies. It's the OP who has the axe to grind. I'm merely removing the grinder.

Kaye and McCartney and Brown and Dunn are also my inspirations. (McCartney must be Scottish like Jack Bruce. He can't possibly be English...)

Just one check of the internet will show that Bob Babbitt played on Cool Jerk... But it also shows that James Jamerson played on it. Does that make Bob Babbitt a criminal...? Who played bass on Cool Jerk...? I'm sure that some revisionist sitting at his computer and in his world will offer his opinion... without any facts... You don't know how Berry Gordy ran Motown... He contracted out to L.A. also. To Carole Kaye... She has the Union receipts and she paid taxes on that money in the real world... Is the OP claiming to be a Sherlock Holmes to know what went down...?

Guys like Slutsky write books all the time in America to put food on his table... and it must be true if it's on the internet, eh...?

Some guys are just intimidated by women... Let me tell you... there are a lot of smart, talented, successful women out there playing bass guitar and double bass. Accept it...! And don't tear down the great Carol Kaye... she is a mentor and hero to many women musicians... and to this 63 year man. So put away the coward's bodkins and embrace a fine woman who pioneered the use of Leo Fender's American invention...

Edited November 20, 2016 by CrackerJackLee

[Paulgm1]

Is this Basschat or have I stumbled into some place full of people looking at throwing insults at each other

[Thunderbird]

[quote name='Paulgm1' timestamp='1479644203' post='3178021']
Is this Basschat or have I stumbled into some place full of people looking at throwing insults at each other
[/quote]pathetic isn't it but not to worry I'm sure the thread will soon be locked lol

[Luulox]

Professional angry person anyone? Total disproportionate response but he does seem to make an habit of it. Name is spot on.

[Coilte]

[quote name='Thunderbird' timestamp='1479644597' post='3178024']
I'm sure the thread will soon be locked lol
[/quote]

Only if everyone keeps engaging with "CrackerJackLee".

Just ignore...and continue on the thread (though the topic of CK playing on XYZ recordings, has been done to death) in a civilised way.

[Staggering on]

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1479634181' post='3177905']
Wow! And people say that old-fashioned courtesy is dead.

Mind you, they also say that all Canadians are really nice people, so what do they know?

Just what Basschat needed just now, a gold-plated Troll on the run from the Mounties.
[/quote]

I came home late last night and just found this thread as I was having my Sunday AM coffee(It's 7:50 AM here) and I am a bit embarrassed to admit that I am Canadian after reading the nasty stuff from Canada.I would say "most" Canadians are really nice people Jack( Happy Jack), but like everything else there are exceptions and it seems we have found one.I will stay out of the discussion partly because I don't know the facts(like all of us actually) and also because I don't think this thing needs more fuel for the fire.
I will go for a walk in the snow that is falling this morning and then head off to play at a rehearsal and try to forget the nastiness of some fellow citizens,I guess he's having a bad day.Sorry about that.

Edited November 20, 2016 by Staggering on

[Rich]

[quote name='Thunderbird' timestamp='1479644597' post='3178024']
pathetic isn't it but not to worry I'm sure the thread will soon be locked lol
[/quote]
It will if the insults keep flying.

[chris_b]

Mods. . . just delete the whole thing!

[lowdown]

CK has a Facebook page with some real interesting stuff about the West Coast session scene back then.
She will happily chat with you if you like talking music.

https://www.facebook.com/Carol-Kaye-II-168440386566810/?hc_ref=SEARCH&fref=nf

[bassace]

I don't know what all the fuss is about. I thought Tapestry was very good.

[CrackerJackLee]

[quote name='Graham' timestamp='1479637706' post='3177940']
Any chance you could engage with the post quoting Jamerson's biographer, who offers up what appears to be an even handed exploration of the question and finds no evidence Kaye played on many of the big hits she claimed to?
[/quote]

Slutsky chooses Bill Cosby as his witness. Bill is just not credible. He is being sued in court by numerous women for drugging them and raping them. He is a woman hater.

Slutsy is a paperback writer. In America you can say anything... It's the law! He's also part of a money venture with the Funk Brothers.

Slutsy ignores Carole Kaye's Union Receipts for every hit she played on.

There are many alterations and re-recordings of hits as they progress through their life cycle before the record is pressed. Slutsky ignores this. And who among us can ever know.

Many hits were recorded by various talent in the Motown Stable... I Heard It Through The Grapevine by Gladys Knight or by Marvin Gaye...? Which versions are we talking about...? This goes for hundreds of songs. Many albums... Which were Jamerson, Kaye, or Babbitt...?

Slutsky mentions Armin Steiner, a self-described survivor, having achieved the kind of career longevity that, in the music business, eludes all but a select few... his past experiences in the recording industry and his current commercial recording work.
Steiner's pop engineering credits include more than 100 Gold and Platinum albums with major artists starting in the mid-’60s...Your mother let you build an echo chamber in the basement? And run cables through the walls?

Word started traveling. Motown got interested, and I was busy all the time. I had Glen Campbell, Billy Strange, Tommy Tedesco, Dennis Budamir, all these guitar players sitting there at my house. There was Ray Pohlman, one of the truly great Fender bass players and the first man to actually build a distortion device. Hal Blaine, Earl Palmer, Joe Osborne, Larry Knechtal, Bill Pittman, Mike Deasy and, of course, Carol Kaye.
I
'd get a call at three in the morning from Herb Alpert saying, “I've got to overdub a tambourine on this piece.” I'd be in my pajamas and I'd walk up there and we'd do it — that was that. I used to have The Supremes up there, Marvin Gaye — my mother used to cook for them. Stevie Wonder was in when he was 9 years old. People think I'm making this stuff up, but it's true. It was a different time, a different place. You couldn't do that kind of thing now, the city wouldn't allow it. I mean, it was all illegal.
And, always, of course, I'd set it up to have everyone sitting close together. That's very important. If the rhythm section can hear well and feel well together and have eye contact, it's going to be much better for the ensemble and for whatever magic you're going to get from that ensemble.

Would you have compressed the bass?
No, I very seldom use compressors, except for the bass on rhythm and blues records. I rarely even use them on vocals. I always feel like I can ride the level myself better. Once I hear the melody, I've memorized it, and I'd rather deal with it that way.

[acidbass]

I believe Carol is a great player and has certainly recorded some amazing bass parts on a lot of the West Coast hits of the late 60s.

But her claims regarding the Motown stuff are simply ridiculous. I find her opinions on Facebook grate on me, and they have become particularly outlandish in her old age which is rather sad. I still shiver when I read her frequent claims that '(my) Ibanez sounds more like a Fender Bass than a Fender Bass'. What?

Despite this, she remains my Facebook friend out of respect and because she is clearly such a font of knowledge.

Also - have used her felt muting technique in studios and the engineers do indeed love it!

D

[skidder652003]

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1479646402' post='3178045']
Only if everyone keeps engaging with "CrackerJackLee".

Just ignore...and continue on the thread (though the topic of CK playing on XYZ recordings, has been done to death) in a civilised way.
[/quote]
Oh God dont tell me she played for Rush as well.....
No wonder the Canadians love her

Edited November 20, 2016 by skidder652003

[CrackerJackLee]

The problem of crediting musicians accurately is insurmountable. Many resumes are incorrect as the daily grind of years of playing makes it hard to remember everything played on. When interviewed, many will say anything to feed their family.
Many albums are released without credits. Often there are no union contracts which would list the names. Songs are recorded and then re-recorded later. Some tracks are re-cut with different musicians. There is much overdubbing and by who? Many contracts are destroyed as they simply run out of room.

When the entertainment industry and commercials use songs for background music, a copy of the contract is needed, so they often create mock contracts, and assume certain players had played on these records. History is changed in many cases by creative book keeping.

Is the recording a "Live Version" or "Studio Version"? The musicians will be different, but confusion will arise. Do producers actually remember who played on their records? Which studio was it recorded in? Studio A or B or L.A.? Often the group’s BP gets credit because the studio musician was not credited. Although you overdubbed the bass in Motown, the credits may go to the L.A. BP where the original track was cut as the contract was filed in L.A. in the L.A. BP's name.

Many bass parts are overdubbed with a plectrum because they need the same notes but with a better feel and better execution. Who gets the credits? Will the group ever be told?

My personal belief is that the music industry is a cut-throat business. Who knows who recorded what. Even the players aren't sure. And there are too many revisionists out there. I listen to the combined Carol Kaye, James Jamerson, Bob Babbitt, and Joe Osborne legacy. Who cares who did what. I can learn from all of them.

I once recorded some tracks at RCA studios in Montreal back in 1970, winter. Funk and boogaloo rhythms in a jazz style on fretless bass. The recording was taken to Germany. The guitarist and I never heard from the producer again. Credits? Forget it. Whatever he did with them, do you think we got any credit? I didn't even get a coffee.

But my only question to the OP and bazztard is "Why did you invest your time and effort in opening a thread with the sole purpose of denigrating Carole Kaye...? What do you gain from that?

And Canadians don't stand by while women get torn down by jealous men. We proved that in WWi and WWII. Canadians are not silent on justice.

Edited November 20, 2016 by CrackerJackLee

[CrackerJackLee]

[quote name='skidder652003' timestamp='1479650843' post='3178102']
Oh God dont tell me she played for Rush as well.....
No wonder the Canadians love her
[/quote]

No... There's only one Geddy Lee... but he plays enough for two...

[taunton-hobbit]

Motown was great music, performed by great musical talent.
Back in the day.
Arguments about 'who did what' are just ripples in the pond.

[KingBollock]

[quote name='CrackerJackLee' timestamp='1479650862' post='3178104']
And Canadians don't stand by while women get torn down by jealous men. We proved that in WWi and WWII. Canadians are not silent on justice.
[/quote]
So you're argument is that she can't be lying because she's a woman and only sexist men would accuse her? Do you believe that women are somehow mentally incapable of creative fabrication? That sounds rather sexist to me.

Also, if you're going to play the role of Social Justice Warrior (something I have no problem with, if it's genuine), perhaps you should lay off the racism.

The problem seems to be that you have no proof of a stance you hold very strongly, so your response is to attack in bizarre ways.

As for your question as to why the OP started the thread, to someone that has only just come upon the story, it is quite interesting to learn about, and what better place to discuss it than a bass player's forum?

[tazza1]

Wow - I thought I'd mistakenly logged onto TalkBass.
Hope this forum isn't heading that way.


[quote name='Paulgm1' timestamp='1479644203' post='3178021']
Is this Basschat or have I stumbled into some place full of people looking at throwing insults at each other
[/quote]

[paul_5]

Jamerson and Kaye both taught me how to play the bass. One of them wrote it down, the other didn't.