interpol52 Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 I am addicted to this at the moment. That tone is stunning, coupled with the perfect bass line for an amazing song. http://youtu.be/LRRLTxIxNtM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Yeah, I'm no fan of Roxy Music but this is great - superb tone & bass line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interpol52 Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 [quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1481923034' post='3196393'] Yeah, I'm no fan of Roxy Music but this is great - superb tone & bass line. [/quote] Just been listening to Dance Away, that's a cracking bassline too, very different tone though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 They've always had good bass players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorR Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Love that song and love that bass line - one of my "desert island basslines". John Gustafson was a really great and really under-rated player. You're right they had some properly good bass players through their ranks, esp in the 70s and 80s. I'm not a fan of Roxy but I love Alan Spenner's playing with them on the albums around Avalon era. LitD was recorded on a unique bass guitar... a hand built/modified P-bass made for Gustafson by Ian Waller a few years before he started building Wal basses full time. The bass had a heavily over wound P-bass pickup that Ian Waller rewound himself by hand. That and Johnny Gus' fingers contributed to that unique sound. Classy player! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interpol52 Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 (edited) [quote name='TrevorR' timestamp='1481925192' post='3196416'] Love that song and love that bass line - one of my "desert island basslines". John Gustafson was a really great and really under-rated player. You're right they had some properly good bass players through their ranks, esp in the 70s and 80s. I'm not a fan of Roxy but I love Alan Spenner's playing with them on the albums around Avalon era. LitD was recorded on a unique bass guitar... a hand built/modified P-bass made for Gustafson by Ian Waller a few years before he started building Wal basses full time. The bass had a heavily over wound P-bass pickup that Ian Waller rewound himself by hand. That and Johnny Gus' fingers contributed to that unique sound. Classy player! [/quote] Wow, that's what I love about this forum sometimes. I just assumed it was a standard Precision bass. Now I need a Wal. Edited December 16, 2016 by interpol52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorR Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Would it be even more tempting if I mentioned that both Tibbs and Spenner were playing early Wal basses in their Roxy periods too? Story of JG's custom P Bass here... http://walbasshistory.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/wal-basses-early-years-over-last-half.html Story of JG's JG series Wal bass here... http://walbasshistory.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/jg-bass-special-pt-2-tale-of-two-basses.html Gary Tibbs' JG series Wal bass here... http://walbasshistory.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/jg-special-pt-4b-gallery-2-jg-basses.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yank Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 Ian Waller. Didn't he play bass on the first couple solo Rod Stewart albums? I loved Stewart/ Faces back in the early '70's. Saw the Faces twice. Great live band. Second time had an Asian guy on bass bouncing all over the stage. Rory Gallagher was the opening act. Amasing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 I`ve always thought - and his book confirmed it - that Roxy were a big influence on Duran Duran, and especially this bassline on JTs bass playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorR Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 [quote name='Yank' timestamp='1481973287' post='3196662'] Ian Waller. Didn't he play bass on the first couple solo Rod Stewart albums? I loved Stewart/ Faces back in the early '70's. Saw the Faces twice. Great live band. Second time had an Asian guy on bass bouncing all over the stage. Rory Gallagher was the opening act. Amasing! [/quote] Think you're thinking of Mick Waller on drums... weren't Ronnie and Ronnie doing bass duties on those early albums? Rod 'n' Rory... that's one heck of a lineup!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoBass Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 One of the few pop songs to use a snare drum with the snares turned off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) If we're talking about the Every Picture Tells A Story album, the bass on most of it was Andy Pyle. Edit spelling. Edited December 18, 2016 by chris_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yank Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Yeah, you're right, Mick Waller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 A bass will never give you tone. You can EQ sound or use an effect ( gain, compression,boost). Tone comes from your fingers, that's where you develop your tone. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) [quote name='blue' timestamp='1482089172' post='3197563'] A bass will never give you tone. You can EQ sound or use an effect ( gain, compression,boost). Tone comes from your fingers, that's where you develop your tone. Blue [/quote] This +1000, and that is why every time you recognise a Precision, a Wal, a StingRay or a Rick on a recording, this only means that the bass player has looked up the sound on Wikipedia, and has spent years trying to develop his fingers so the sound can be achieved at one point in time. Hard work, I tell ya! Edited December 18, 2016 by BassTractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 [quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1482090670' post='3197583'] This +1000, and that is why every time you recognise a Precision, a Wal, a StingRay or a Rick on a recording, this only means that the bass player has looked up the sound on Wikipedia, and has spent years trying to develop his fingers so the sound can be achieved at one point in time. Hard work, I tell ya! [/quote]So if I picked up Chris Squire's Rick, plugged into his effects and amps, I wouldn't sound at all like him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interpol52 Posted December 18, 2016 Author Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) [quote name='blue' timestamp='1482089172' post='3197563'] A bass will never give you tone. You can EQ sound or use an effect ( gain, compression,boost). Tone comes from your fingers, that's where you develop your tone. Blue [/quote] Hey Blue. I have to disagree here, I think different basses have a baked in tone, what you do with that tone comes from the fingers. Edited December 18, 2016 by interpol52 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrevorR Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 [quote name='interpol52' timestamp='1482095381' post='3197640'] Hey Blue. I have to disagree here, I think [i]different basses have a baked in tone, what you do with that tone comes from the fingers[/i]. [/quote] This ^^^^ Anything else is simply reductive thinking. Any complex system is by nature... well... complex and affected by different elements, albeit that some will have a more dominant effect than others... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1482091534' post='3197593'] So if I picked up Chris Squire's Rick, plugged into his effects and amps, I wouldn't sound at all like him? [/quote] I have no firm grasp on what you mean with that question, but do see several possibilities as to how to understand it. What I can tell you though is that I reacted ironically/sarcastically to Blue's claim, as that claim is utter nonsense. Sometimes I'm kinder than this, but sometimes one needs to be very clear (though, unwillingly, I may actually have been unclear, Idunno). Edited December 18, 2016 by BassTractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 [quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1482099280' post='3197684'] I have no firm grasp on what you mean with that question, but do see several possibilities as to how to understand it. What I can tell you though is that I reacted ironically/sarcastically to Blue's claim, as that claim is utter nonsense. Sometimes I'm kinder than this, but sometimes one needs to be very clear (though, unwillingly, I may actually have been unclear, Idunno). [/quote]Bollox, I missed the irony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassTractor Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1482100047' post='3197691'] Bollox, I missed the irony [/quote] So one thing is clear: when I'm being very clear I'm being very unclear. At least I'm glad we got that one uncleared up! Edited December 18, 2016 by BassTractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) [quote name='interpol52' timestamp='1482095381' post='3197640'] Hey Blue. I have to disagree here, I think different basses have a baked in tone, what you do with that tone comes from the fingers. [/quote] We'll you have a point, to a degree. I gig around 9 different basses, the only one with a distinct sound of it's own is my German made Hofner Club bass. Blue Edited December 19, 2016 by blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
progben Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1482116379' post='3197781'] We'll you have a point, to a degree. I gig around 9 different basses, the only one with a distinct sound of it's own is my German made Hofner Club bass. Blue [/quote] That's surprising to hear, Blue. All the basses I've owned/played seem to have very different natural sounds and characteristics. I currently use a Warwick Dolphin and a Yamaha RBX and theyre so different that they end up getting used for seperate genres of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivansc Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hate to disagree but I have recordings of me on a travis bean, a 4001 stereo, a weird prototype epiphone and of course a precision and in one case a Jazz.. Some recorded direct, others through an assortment of amps. All sounds like me. I think what Blue SHOULD have said was that whilst basses may vary in tonal potential, the player will always put his mark on the sound. Not necessarily the tone as such, but very much what is played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 When we had the cab and the amp shoot outs at the SE bass bash, same amp for each cab and all amps set at noon, with one player demoing the lot they all sounded more similar than different. There were amps and cabs that I wouldn't have looked at twice (going on reviews of others) that sounded pretty good to my ears. In a band setting the differences would have been even less noticeable. OK, everyone will EQ differently and have different sounding fingers, but the most important difference between all of us is [i]what[/i] we play and [i]how[/i] we play it. I've been told I make all of my gear sound like me. Even though I think each bass is different, to the others they're not. To anyone looking at a oil painting, it doesn't matter what paint or brushes the artist used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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