EBS_freak Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1484389749' post='3215088'] I thought you stocked alleva coppolo?? [/quote] I wasn't aware of any AC issues - PM me the details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1484417988' post='3215380'] I wasn't aware of any AC issues - PM me the details? [/quote] There is a rather infamous Talkbass thread you should check out. Certainly did enough to make me overlook any instrument of theirs going forward!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1484430796' post='3215480'] There is a rather infamous Talkbass thread you should check out. Certainly did enough to make me overlook any instrument of theirs going forward!! [/quote] Now you mention it, I seem to recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 It was a one off and it finally resolved in the customers favour. I don't see the relevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1484440894' post='3215552'] It was a one off and it finally resolved in the customers favour. I don't see the relevance. [/quote] Aye. Just reread the thread. I think that any luthier will have that one off problem customer too... Edited January 15, 2017 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 If any of you had tried fEARless, you wouldn't be having this debate. Jus' sayin'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1484455129' post='3215565'] If any of you had tried fEARless, you wouldn't be having this debate. Jus' sayin'. [/quote] Just watched this video, and now I want one http://youtu.be/O-YUbQyK5Ls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1484440894' post='3215552'] It was a one off and it finally resolved in the customers favour. I don't see the relevance. [/quote] It was relevant to Molan's arguement. As usual, every post on here is right and every post on here is wrong, depending on your opinion. As per previous, let's now keep this on topic! Edited January 15, 2017 by Kev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) [quote name='Kev' timestamp='1484475171' post='3215632'] It was relevant to Molan's arguement. As usual, every post on here is right and every post on here is wrong, depending on your opinion. As per previous, let's now keep this on topic! [/quote] Err... Isn't that how opinions work? Edited January 15, 2017 by EBS_freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 [quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1484477971' post='3215668'] Err... Isn't that how opinions work? [/quote] Exactly my point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 [quote name='Graham' timestamp='1484468207' post='3215580'] Just watched this video, and now I want one [media]http://youtu.be/O-YUbQyK5Ls[/media] [/quote] Yep although it doesn't do the cabs justice in real life. I was at the bassbash shoot out mentioned above and it was the first time I'd heard a fEARless cab played with any amount of decent volume or from a distance. I was shocked not only at how much [i]better[/i] the fEARless was against the Berg and Barefaced, but also at how that was completely overlooked by so many others in the final round of voting after it had attracted so many votes initially. They're everything I've ever wanted in a bass cab. Cleaner highs than the Barefaced and more articulate lows than the Berg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Bearing in mind my EBS 2x12 used to belong to you, how does it compare? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 There is a fearless 215 for sale in a Midlands Facebook gear group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) There is a fearless 215 for sale in a Facebook gear group https://www.facebook.com/groups/184621401586617/ Edited January 15, 2017 by markstuk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 [quote name='molan' timestamp='1484351718' post='3214975'] It's not strange at all Chris, just basic integrity. We won't stock anything that we don't believe has a basic level of quality and that we can stand behind. Our reputation rests on supplying decent quality goods that we know will perform well, won't break and won't deteriorate rapidly. Too many customers with extremely bad experiences in terms of quality control and build for us to be able to sell them as a reputable dealer [/quote] I'm sorry to spoil the fun but unless you can come up with some hard evidence regarding "extremely bad experiences in terms of quality control and build" then this is unacceptable behaviour for a commercial user whose business is in direct competition with Barefaced. I know how many cabs we're selling and I know the extremely high levels of customer satisfaction we're achieving. If almost every single dissatisfied customer is going to you and never telling us about their problems then I'd like to know - but somehow that seems very unlikely... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 We had some Fearless/fearful greenboy audio stuff at the double bass bash (along with a cab builder!), first cab I've heard that blew me away, and light as a feather! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chienmortbb Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 Cooking up a storm I see. I have heard a older Barefaced but never played through one and I have never heard a Berg. However I know of enough people that have experience of both, on both sides of the pond to know they both make great cabinets. To say one is better than the other is silly. Better for whom? As for using the for sale section as in indicator of satisfaction, all that tells us is that more Barefaced Cabinets are sold second hand, on Basschat than Bergantinos. That is all, there is no evidence for anything else. It would be useful though if some of those that have sold both brands on here said why. I have no figures to prove it but I think Molan! Another dig at Barefaced, no evidence, just innuendo. I am an enginneer but spent a great deal of my time in marketing. I soon learnt that if you criticise your competitors you soon lose credibility with those customers that have had good experience with them. Your "basic integrity" is compromised and you will lose peoples trust. Now I am not going to buy either brand soon, I am going to build my own so have no axe to grind . However I hope someone will tell me what dealer you own or work for, as you have blown your credibility with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raggy Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1484489476' post='3215819'] Yep although it doesn't do the cabs justice in real life. I was at the bassbash shoot out mentioned above and it was the first time I'd heard a fEARless cab played with any amount of decent volume or from a distance. I was shocked not only at how much [i]better[/i] the fEARless was against the Berg and Barefaced, but also at how that was completely overlooked by so many others in the final round of voting after it had attracted so many votes initially. They're everything I've ever wanted in a bass cab. Cleaner highs than the Barefaced and more articulate lows than the Berg. [/quote] Ive got an F115, and the jury is still out with me. I keep going back to the Barefaced cabs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 [quote name='Graham' timestamp='1484490509' post='3215825'] Bearing in mind my EBS 2x12 used to belong to you, how does it compare? [/quote] The F112 is slightly fuller sounding and slightly flatter in the growly lower mids but otherwise pretty close. The Neo212 is only 4kg heavier BTW (and a lot bigger) [quote name='Raggy' timestamp='1484570337' post='3216351'] Ive got an F115, and the jury is still out with me. I keep going back to the Barefaced cabs. [/quote] If the Barefaced are giving you want you are looking for, I see nothing wrong with that. Others might claim that nothing in the world beats an old 8x10. I wouldn't understand where they're coming from but if it delivers the sound in their head then good on them for ending their search. I'm not suggesting the Barefaced or Bergs are bad cabs BTW. They definitely have different flavours though...a bit like farts I guess, we each like our own. The closest analogy I can think of for the F112 is that they're like studio monitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raggy Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 [quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1484572273' post='3216379'] The closest analogy I can think of for the F112 is that they're like studio monitors. [/quote] Totally agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lloyd1979_uk Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 I can't comment on Bergantino as I've never played or heard one. I do however own a Barefaced Big Baby 2 and it's a fantastic cab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 [quote name='Graham' timestamp='1484490509' post='3215825'] Bearing in mind my EBS 2x12 used to belong to you {Kiwi} [/quote] And I own the other one of the two! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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