dave_bass5 Posted July 7, 2017 Share Posted July 7, 2017 I forgot to report back after my first rehearsal with my B3n. It worked really well, much better than my old B3. I loved the BK7 sim, so beefy and full. Makes me want to buy one now lol. The only issue i had was i couldn't use my 1 spot PSU with it, at least not with the B3n AND my Line 6 G30 receiver. They worked, but i got a high pitched whine which was very anoying between songs. As i only need power for these two boxes its not worth me buying something more expensive, but its a shame im having to use two wall plugs for two boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfist Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 good stuff from Choptones: [color=#EEEEEE][font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][url="http://shop.choptones.net/zoom-b3n-bass-essentials-vol1"]http://shop.choptone...essentials-vol1[/url][/font][/color] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ1jfey-M5o"]https://www.youtube....h?v=PJ1jfey-M5o[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfAS_RJ1icE"]https://www.youtube....h?v=QfAS_RJ1icE[/url] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripehound Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Any thoughts on how the b3n compares to the new Boss unit - the GT-1B? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visog Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Seems we're still pre-release on the GT-1B so not many vids out yet. But this chap's made a comparison with the B3 which starts to answer your question although I believe the 'n' is a real step-up... [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcnF4tub84U"]https://www.youtube....h?v=qcnF4tub84U[/url] Edited July 12, 2017 by visog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave_bass5 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 [quote name='jimfist' timestamp='1499737795' post='3333253'] good stuff from Choptones: [color=#EEEEEE][font=Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][url="http://shop.choptones.net/zoom-b3n-bass-essentials-vol1"]http://shop.choptone...essentials-vol1[/url][/font][/color] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ1jfey-M5o"]https://www.youtube....h?v=PJ1jfey-M5o[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfAS_RJ1icE"]https://www.youtube....h?v=QfAS_RJ1icE[/url] [/quote] Do people buy this sort of thing? Its the first time ive seen something like this for sale. Just wondering who buys it when there are other places that have free patches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jimfist Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 [quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1499875231' post='3334255'] Do people buy this sort of thing? Its the first time ive seen something like this for sale. Just wondering who buys it when there are other places that have free patches. [/quote] Some people do buy these packs. Choptones has built up a nice little niche creating sounds for modelers of all types. Anyone who likes what they hear from their modeler but is struggling to get over the hump will be tempted to give commercially produced presets a shot. Not all of these commercial packs hit a home run, but some are very good and these guys really seem to know what they're doing. I've never personally cared much for preset tones made by others, but not everyone is the same. Spending a little money on something that might get you quickly to a really good place is money well spent....better than time mis-spent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visog Posted July 23, 2017 Share Posted July 23, 2017 (edited) B3n users, I've been looking at the Boss GT-1B but being put off a little by the restriction on chain order and effect slots. So having looked at the Zoom B3n effect processing chart, I'm realising that the initially enticing seven slot functionality might be limited by the modelling/effects I want to use. For example, in my imaginary signal chain: Darkglass preamp 20% of processing, compressor 10%, modulation 10%, defret 7%, delay 6%, HD reverb 25% then into the looper 10%. This is without cab simulation. So it looks do-able but I just wondered if any B3n users could comment on the effect chain restrictions and processing limit. Is it a consideration or rarely encountered? Please comment. Edited July 23, 2017 by visog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfist Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 [quote name='visog' timestamp='1500829763' post='3340450'] B3n users, I've been looking at the Boss GT-1B but being put off a little by the restriction on chain order and effect slots. So having looked at the Zoom B3n effect processing chart, I'm realising that the initially enticing seven slot functionality might be limited by the modelling/effects I want to use. For example, in my imaginary signal chain: Darkglass preamp 20% of processing, compressor 10%, modulation 10%, defret 7%, delay 6%, HD reverb 25% then into the looper 10%. This is without cab simulation. So it looks do-able but I just wondered if any B3n users could comment on the effect chain restrictions and processing limit. Is it a consideration or rarely encountered? Please comment. [/quote] Your problem in this scenario isn't cpu limitations, but SLOT limitations. The Dark Pre takes up 2 slots, not 1, so your ideal scenario would take up 8 slots, not 7. And you'd have to use one of the single slot Loopers, too. You'd could opt for the less flexible Dark OD to keep it at the max of 7 slots occupied. By my math: Dark OD: 21% 160 comp: 13% (mod) Ba Detune: 12% defret: 7% Delay: 5% HD Hall: 26% Mono/Stereo Looper: 10% ----------------------total: 94% There's no doubt that the GT-1B packs a lot of features into their pedal, and between it and the Zoom B3n, you really can't go wrong. But the primary difference as I see it is which work flow you prefer for your primary usage. The GT-1B has advantages with deeper parameters and comprehensive software editor (not yet available), as well as the established reputation Boss has with their effects. Stand-alone, the GT-1B might be limited for switching sounds and patches in performance, depending on how much versatility you need. The B3n seems better suited to those who want the simplicity of WYSIWYG virtual pedals (no deep editing and menu diving), more footswitches for flexibility in navigating the pedal in performance, and some impressive amp, cab, and drive modeling which has been improved compared to the B3n. It does have the cpu limitations, and the selection of amps/cabs/fx is still developing while Zoom releases new items every so often. Having owned a B3 and now a B3n, I've been partial to Zoom. The B3n has helped solve a lot of the live navigation issues that the B3 had with just 3 buttons, and I do most of my work in live performance groups. If you don't mind adding a couple of footswitches to the GT-1B, you could get a lot more flexibility, but of course you're carrying more stuff and increasing your pedal footprint. Both are good choices IMO for the coin. Just different, and depend on what is most important to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visog Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) [size=3][font=Arial, sans-serif]Jimfist,[/font] [font=Arial, sans-serif]Thanks for a helpful response. I hadn't considered slots in my analysis. I don't want the unit for performance, more home recording and experimentation, particularly ambient sound-scaping. [/font] [font=Arial, sans-serif]The Zoom appeals for multiple stacked delays and reverbs into the looper. The Boss for its deep editing and specific sounds like the Terra Echo which is sort of ambient in one pedal…[/font] [font=Arial, sans-serif]I agree that both could be good. I might try out the Boss when they eventually get distributed…[/font][/size] [size=3][font=Arial, sans-serif]Visog[/font][/size] Edited July 25, 2017 by visog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfist Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 (edited) cool. One thing about the Zoom is that for effects placed before the looper, once you've printed something in the loop and pulled it out of record mode, you can manually change effect type and settings. If you have the luxury of home use mostly, you'll have time to change effects if you know what you want. Not sure how the GT-1B implements the looper, so you may be able to do the same thing with it. Neither one has USB recording, though. You'd have to kick up to the G5n guitar processer, which isn't half bad for bass. I've gigged it for quite a while. It doesn't have the same cool bass goodies as the B3n, though (Darkglass sims). Edited December 25, 2017 by jimfist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfrasho Posted December 21, 2017 Share Posted December 21, 2017 Just realised, the b3n doesn't have the line selector option. Does anyone have a way round to get dry signal out output 1 and effected signal out output 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfist Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 On 12/21/2017 at 10:17, Elfrasho said: Just realised, the b3n doesn't have the line selector option. Does anyone have a way round to get dry signal out output 1 and effected signal out output 2? No. It doesn't have an "output 1" or "output 2". It has a Left and Right output (i.e. stereo). I agree with the notion that it would be great to do what you've described for certain applications, but I don't think we'll see this feature (purely speculation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfrasho Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 8 hours ago, jimfist said: No. It doesn't have an "output 1" or "output 2". It has a Left and Right output (i.e. stereo). I agree with the notion that it would be great to do what you've described for certain applications, but I don't think we'll see this feature (purely speculation). I know, but the ms60b allowed me to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimfist Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) 6 hours ago, Elfrasho said: I know, but the ms60b allowed me to do it Hmmm. Here is the description of the Line Selector from the MS60B manual: Quote Sound input into the LineSel effect is sent directly to the OUTPUT jacks when OFF and to the next effect in order when ON. This is different that what you describe. Is there something in this description that is missing/incomplete that allows for what you've described, which is PARALLEL wet & dry signal paths? Does the Line Selector in the pedal itself have parameters to indicate this type of parallel routing? can you provide a picture? If this PARALLEL routing feature were available as you describe, I think this is actually a pretty big deal that many bassists, myself included, aren't aware of it. Edited December 25, 2017 by jimfist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfrasho Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Maybe you're right. Looks like you are. I'll withdraw my query. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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