stevie Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 You've looked at the specs of the RCFs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 [quote name='stevie' timestamp='1486726182' post='3234104'] You've looked at the specs of the RCFs? [/quote] I did - but it doesn't offer much more than the FR800 and crucially it's bigger (6" taller) heavier (11lbs more) and rates at 45hz -3db. Was concerned about getting it in the car and lugging about which is what put me off the Line6 L3's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 [quote name='Bridgehouse' timestamp='1486728137' post='3234140'] I did - but it doesn't offer much more than the FR800 and crucially it's bigger (6" taller) heavier (11lbs more) and rates at 45hz -3db. Was concerned about getting it in the car and lugging about which is what put me off the Line6 L3's. [/quote] And its a much more useful shape for putting things on the top Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 [quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1486728800' post='3234142'] And its a much more useful shape for putting things on the top [/quote] Like a pint glass you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 [quote name='Bridgehouse' timestamp='1486729035' post='3234144'] Like a pint glass you mean? [/quote] I was thinking more about a rack (not ribs).. My beer lives away from potential electrical entanglement.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 [quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1486729327' post='3234149'] I was thinking more about a rack (not ribs).. My beer lives away from potential electrical entanglement.. [/quote] I must admit your (sensible) comment did cross my mind. I'm using a Helix Floor Unit at the moment but I've eyed up a Kemper, or even rack mounted solutions as well.. the BF would at least allow me to get them off the floor or not suspend them on a bar stool or chair..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 [quote name='Bridgehouse' timestamp='1486731317' post='3234164'] I must admit your (sensible) comment did cross my mind. I'm using a Helix Floor Unit at the moment but I've eyed up a Kemper, or even rack mounted solutions as well.. the BF would at least allow me to get them off the floor or not suspend them on a bar stool or chair..! [/quote] I had a period when I used active PA cabs (classic wedge on a pole type) - and the fact they're not cuboid really really got on my nerves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 [quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1486731427' post='3234167'] I had a period when I used active PA cabs (classic wedge on a pole type) - and the fact they're not cuboid really really got on my nerves... [/quote] I prefer 90 degree angles as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripehound Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Any chance of an update on the old Helix/FR800 thing? Considering the same arrangement.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Yeah curious to hear your thoughts. I've gone Kemper and FR800 and I keep flipping about whether it was a good choice or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 You know what, having played with Helix more and more, in getting the best out of it by going straight out of 1/4" mono into the back of my EICH 1000 power amp in and then into the VK 2x10 cab. I've set up each bass patch as dual path, so 1/4" has no cab model, but preamp only, and the XLR path set up with a cab so I can DI out of the Helix for FOH and the amp/cab are an onstage monitor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripehound Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 I'm currently using a Fender Super Bassman (300 watts valve) into a Neo 410 cabinet. Rig of my dreams and sounds amazing but sadly I don't have a roadie to move it around for me. Classic dilemma. Just bought a Helix LT and loving it which has led me to wonder whether I should invest in some sort of FRFR arrangement. The FR800 seems to get a lot of positive press, and I hear good things about the Yamaha DXR10 and 12. Also the HK Audio L5 115FA. I could really do with some reassurance and recommendations from people who have used this arrangement in anger. Is it an idea worth pursuing? Is the Barefaced worth the (considerable) difference in price? Should I try a halfway house with a power amp and use the 410? Any contributions welcome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SisterAbdullahX Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Go on then, I'll be the first to ask, what does FRFR stand for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 [quote name='SisterAbdullahX' timestamp='1502083417' post='3349115'] Go on then, I'll be the first to ask, what does FRFR stand for? [/quote] Full Range Flat Response Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SisterAbdullahX Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 [quote name='dood' timestamp='1502093524' post='3349176'] Full Range Flat Response [/quote] Ah!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 [quote name='SisterAbdullahX' timestamp='1502119387' post='3349413'] Ah!! [/quote] It's full name is FRFRWAMAPGTLOEMT. Full Range, Flat Response, well as much as possible given the limitations of even modern technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 [quote name='Tripehound' timestamp='1502047821' post='3348995'] Is the Barefaced worth the (considerable) difference in price? [/quote] In a word: 'maybe'. The fact that they're the only frfr cabs that look like traditional bass cabs helps with the soundman acceptance factor and you can stack them too, which you can't with many of the other options. On the other hand most of the competition can be used as monitor wedges... Mine do double duty as bass cabs with one band and as pa cabs in my other band and I'm fairly sure they do both better than the competition but part of me wishes I hadn't tried to be clever and that I'd bought a bass cabinet and two nice pa cabs for the same price. I toy with the idea of selling them but I haven't yet as they sound so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SisterAbdullahX Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 [quote name='Bridgehouse' timestamp='1501971656' post='3348602'] You know what, having played with Helix more and more, in getting the best out of it by going straight out of 1/4" mono into the back of my EICH 1000 power amp in and then into the VK 2x10 cab. I've set up each bass patch as dual path, so 1/4" has no cab model, but preamp only, and the XLR path set up with a cab so I can DI out of the Helix for FOH and the amp/cab are an onstage monitor [/quote] I'm surprised you're even considering another cab with the VK/Eich setup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Does anyone know if there is any difference between the BF Big Baby II and the FR800 other than the fact the FR800 has an amp built in, and if that's all it is, can you get a Big Baby II upgraded to an FR800? I ask because I'm about to change my rig and get a Helix. I was wondering whether or not to keep my amp (Tech Soundsystems Black Cat) and get a Big Baby II or sell the amp as well and go for an FR800. It's all about equipment sharing gigs where I might be expected to bring my own amp but not cab(s) and portability... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 [quote name='SisterAbdullahX' timestamp='1502141305' post='3349615'] I'm surprised you're even considering another cab with the VK/Eich setup! [/quote] Yeah. I'm not now. It's saved me a huge chunk of change by just plugging Helix into the back and giving it a whirl with no cabs on my patches! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SisterAbdullahX Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1502141540' post='3349622'] Does anyone know if there is any difference between the BF Big Baby II and the FR800 other than the fact the FR800 has an amp built in, and if that's all it is, can you get a Big Baby II upgraded to an FR800? I ask because I'm about to change my rig and get a Helix. I was wondering whether or not to keep my amp (Tech Soundsystems Black Cat) and get a Big Baby II or sell the amp as well and go for an FR800. It's all about equipment sharing gigs where I might be expected to bring my own amp but not cab(s) and portability... [/quote] I'd say keep the Black Cat and get a portable and efficient cab, something like, oh I don't know, a Genz Benz NX2-212T😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted August 7, 2017 Author Share Posted August 7, 2017 Of course, I could really shake things up by saying that Helix sounds pretty damn good through the back of a Markbass LMIII into a Barefaced Compact Gen 2 as well.. It's not quite as rounded and articulate as the VK and EICH, but it's more than good enough. Really rather more than good enough in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted August 8, 2017 Share Posted August 8, 2017 [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1502141540' post='3349622'] Does anyone know if there is any difference between the BF Big Baby II and the FR800 other than the fact the FR800 has an amp built in, and if that's all it is, can you get a Big Baby II upgraded to an FR800? I ask because I'm about to change my rig and get a Helix. I was wondering whether or not to keep my amp (Tech Soundsystems Black Cat) and get a Big Baby II or sell the amp as well and go for an FR800. It's all about equipment sharing gigs where I might be expected to bring my own amp but not cab(s) and portability... [/quote] Tonally, the cabinets I understand have little difference, but I think the construction has to make way for the amplifier. I don't think they can be upgraded, but of course it'd be easy to get the information direct from BF who reply to mails quickly. For me anyway! In terms of having a 'system in a box', i'd go for the FR800 every time - budget limitations mean that I have a BB2 though. I have a Helix and would love a pair of FR's, it'd be such a great set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 [quote name='dood' timestamp='1502182009' post='3349728'] I have a Helix and would love a pair of FR's, it'd be such a great set up. [/quote] If you're ever up North...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 [quote name='Jack' timestamp='1502377196' post='3351072'] If you're ever up North...... [/quote] Thank you!! No plans at the moment, but if I do I'll take you up on the offer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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