radiophonic Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) [quote name='toneknob' timestamp='1487234703' post='3238173'] ...mister benn quick change special effect... [/quote] That's so Prog. And I mean it in a good way. I'd love a Shergold 12 string. I have a Baldwin, so same lineage, but it's too fragile to gig regularly) Edited February 16, 2017 by radiophonic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='radiophonic' timestamp='1487240553' post='3238246'] That's so Prog. And I mean it in a good way. I'd love a Shergold 12 string. I have a Baldwin, so same lineage, but it's too fragile to gig regularly) [/quote] I used to be in Genesis tribute bands - also just out of shot, Moog Taurus bass pedals, an acoustic 12-string and a Ricky 4001. I've kept the Shergold 12/4 as it's such a good 12-string guitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) [quote name='toneknob' timestamp='1487239768' post='3238239'] Interesting story Dave, thanks for sharing. My 4/8 double neck had a great 4-string neck, exactly what you'd expect from Shergold. The 8-string was a bit difficult though. The serial number was 8401, following their convention for the first two numbers being the number of strings per neck. The -01 doesn't necessarily mean it was the first one, as your story supports, but it's a curious theory. As far as I can remember Mike Rutherford is credited with using an 8-string on Wind & Wuthering and Seconds Out, but the songs it's used in aren't mentioned. The only overlap between those two albums is Afterglow, which doesn't sound like an 8 to me. Happy to be proved wrong though! [/quote] Mike wasn't using a Shergold 8 at that time. He used a Hagstrom at that point but think Shergold were looking at building him a proper 8 string rather than like mine which has a shorter scale length. I guess he had more influence than me and i'm not sure wh that is. Think he used 8 on Firth on Seconds out and pretty sure on one of the tracks from Then There Were Three. Before that i couldn't be sure without going over the old albums again. Assuming you still have yours ? Would love another one altho not a twin neck unless i could locate my old one which i did try a few yrs back but it could be anywhere nowadays. Dave Edited February 16, 2017 by dmccombe7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1487238255' post='3238217'] This bridge was enough to put me off them. It may be pretty and retro looking but who wants to play with a guitar where you can't get your intonation straight? [/quote] You will be able to get the intonation right, but only with standard string sets. If you favour something a bit more esoteric like light top/heavy bottom, you are going to be struggling and if you want to use it permanently in a non-standard tuning with the appropriate string gauges for that tuning then you are going to be sh*t out of luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaytonaRik Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='fleabag' timestamp='1487178372' post='3237819'] Oh dear ... why [/quote] This - in spades! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1487242166' post='3238264'] Mike wasn't using a Shergold 8 at that time. He used a Hagstrom at that point but think Shergold were looking at building him a proper 8 string rather than like mine which has a shorter scale length. I guess he had more influence than me and i'm not sure wh that is. Think he used 8 on Firth on Seconds out and pretty sure on one of the tracks from Then There Were Three. Before that i couldn't be sure without going over the old albums again. Assuming you still have yours ? Would love another one altho not a twin neck unless i could locate my old one which i did try a few yrs back but it could be anywhere nowadays. Dave [/quote] Still got the 12/4; traded in the 4/8, full story here: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/254282-more-love-for-wunjo-and-basschat/ - the Shergold appeared in the window at Wunjo and appeared on eBay not long after Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toneknob Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1487242166' post='3238264'] Mike wasn't using a Shergold 8 at that time. He used a Hagstrom at that point but think Shergold were looking at building him a proper 8 string rather than like mine which has a shorter scale length. I guess he had more influence than me and i'm not sure wh that is. Think he used 8 on Firth on Seconds out and pretty sure on one of the tracks from Then There Were Three. Before that i couldn't be sure without going over the old albums again. [/quote] Firth of Fifth is a bass/12-string song for Mike in concert, pretty sure he didn't change guitars during the song. (We're scraping the surface of why I'm no longer in tribute bands now, by the way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='toneknob' timestamp='1487243213' post='3238279'] Firth of Fifth is a bass/12-string song for Mike in concert, pretty sure he didn't change guitars during the song. (We're scraping the surface of why I'm no longer in tribute bands now, by the way) [/quote] Down And Out but could be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Back to the original post its possible if they adapt the product as already discussed it could be a reasonable seller. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) - Edited February 24, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiophonic Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='Jus Lukin' timestamp='1487260035' post='3238459'] I wondered if I was being a bit harsh in my post above but on reflection, I stand by it! Even the little discussion here shows that the brand made it's name not only with quality, but also distinctive, quirky design and often multi-necked, coursed instruments. To genericise the brand like this isn't likely to do the name much good in the long run. Perhaps a 12/8 double neck wouldn't shift so many units, but if that's the goal there are plenty of ways to market A N Other brand of variations on a winning theme. Just seems a cynical use of a venerable brand with no nod to the spirit of it's history. The headstock isn't even in keeping, so it's just a name and a body shape with the usual tweaks to Fender design found across the board. *Edit* I don't even know why it irks me, really, but it does! [/quote] Although to be fair, I doubt they sold more double necks than Rickenbacker. Those were always pretty niche. I agree with the broader point though. Where's the 12 string Masquerader (take my money now)? That's what I want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) - Edited February 24, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low End Bee Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 They're updating the Marathon bass. It will be called the Shergold Snickers. Seriously even a nod to the old models with zero frets, pickups with loads of polepieces, modules and a bit more character might work. Apart from the rosewood neck and inlays (which I like) they're very generic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='Low End Bee' timestamp='1487262034' post='3238477'] They're updating the Marathon bass. It will be called the Shergold Snickers. [/quote] Genius! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1487255003' post='3238409'] Down And Out but could be wrong [/quote]Down and Out's all bass pedals - no electric bass on it and yes Firth is bass and 12 string so it would have been his Shergold 4/12 modular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhysP Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='Low End Bee' timestamp='1487262034' post='3238477'] They're updating the Marathon bass. It will be called the Shergold Snickers. [/quote] I've only just realised why Shergoldsnickers on here is called Shergoldsnickers. God I'm thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) [quote name='spectoremg' timestamp='1487266829' post='3238522'] Down and Out's all bass pedals - no electric bass on it and yes Firth is bass and 12 string so it would have been his Shergold 4/12 modular. [/quote] I knew i was wrong with Firth and that's why i then thought it must have been Down & Out. Wasn't sure about it to be honest but according to what i've read he used the 8 string on I Know What I Like at Earls Court 1977. He apparently used it for that song on Wind & Wuthering tour which was before my time to be honest. Dave Edited February 16, 2017 by dmccombe7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman Sam Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1487267637' post='3238530'] I've only just realised why Shergoldsnickers on here is called Shergoldsnickers. God I'm thick. [/quote] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 No basses eh? I've still got my Marathon 6 String Bass it's good because unlike the Fender Bass VI it has a bassist friendly string spacing. I'm not keen on these new models although they've kept some individuality and not gone for the usual Strat or Tele clones they don't look much like the originals. I saw a very early prototype I assumed as it was eastern made at SoundAffects Music and it looked more like a '70s Masquerader. I also think they'd do well to reissue some Hooky and Rutherford signature basses as they were the chaps most closely associated with the brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='mike257' timestamp='1487239084' post='3238230'] No, you're thinking of Lord Lucan. [/quote] They're still looking for Lucan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1487238255' post='3238217'] This bridge was enough to put me off them. It may be pretty and retro looking but who wants to play with a guitar where you can't get your intonation straight? [/quote] Having lost patience waiting for the site to load may I offer thanks to Mr Ghost Bass for publishing the above image. Sweet Jesus? A (slightly chopped) Telecaster bridge plate, saddles and pick up on a 'Shergold'? Are these people utter f**king morons or what? I mean, the purists will be puking into their hankies while youngsters will be saying 'Seen that before, chum'. Oh, and logo'd up Seymour Duncans. Sh*t my pants, that's [i]original. [/i] Basically it's a frigging parts-bin special and that's just looking at about 7% of it's total surface area. One wonders who is the designer behind this aesthetic sewage? A certain guitar 'improver', perhaps? I'm so angry I feel like that bloke who was watching the Sex Pistols on Bill Grundy and got up and kicked in his own TV screen. That angry. Twats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1487268574' post='3238542'] I knew i was wrong with Firth and that's why i then thought it must have been Down & Out. Wasn't sure about it to be honest but according to what i've read he used the 8 string on I Know What I Like at Earls Court 1977. He apparently used it for that song on Wind & Wuthering tour which was before my time to be honest. Dave [/quote]Dave, any opportunity to discuss Mike Rutherford, Shergold's and Genesis is internet porn! I do recall pics of him with a unfamiliar bass around that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer of the Bass Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Skank, you'd be even more livid if you'd managed to load the website! It's quite beyond parody; pictures of fashionably bearded gents in pastel suits and loafers with no socks, pigs on leads and little moustache icons all over the place. I'm not even making that up! Edited February 16, 2017 by Beer of the Bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) [quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1487278541' post='3238656'] Skank, you'd be even more livid if you'd managed to load the website! It's quite beyond parody; pictures of fashionably bearded gents in pastel suits and loafers with no socks, pigs on leads and little moustache icons all over the place. I'm not even making that up! [/quote] Thank you for your animadversion, my old friend. You may have saved me from an apoplectic coronary thrombosis. That's not to say I am against hirsute, pig-fancying hipsters. We are all God's children, after all, and I suspect that the chaps in question are no more than window dressing designed to bamboozle Our Nation's smiling, innocent children into parting with those meagre savings they have accrued from newspaper rounds, lawn-mowing, etc. No, I am in no doubt that the progenitor of this egregious foulness is either (i) a criminal mastermind, possibly Dr Fu Manchu of evil memory if the country of manufacture is as I suspect to be or (ii) a pudgy middle-aged failure named Bob (from Tunbridge Wells) afflicted with the baseless and laughable delusion that he is some sort of latter-day Ted McCarty or Ray Dietrich. The only reasonable response to this sort of outrage is an angry mob equipped with blazing pitchforks and poison-dipped death-stars. [color=#faebd7].[/color] Edited February 16, 2017 by skankdelvar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassman Sam Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 [quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1487279595' post='3238666'] The only reasonable response to this sort of outrage is an angry mob equipped with blazing pitchforks and poison-dipped death-stars. [color=#faebd7].[/color] [/quote] I'd be up for some of that. [attachment=238307:pitch.jpg] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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