therealting Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Was wondering whether anyone's tried using speakers like these in their bass rig: [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-New-300-Watt-15-Bass-PA-Disco-Speaker-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ270144714685QQihZ017QQcategoryZ69967QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-New-300-Watt-15...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url] They're inexpensive, compact and pretty lightweight... I know I'd have to remove the passive low-pass-filter, but otherwise, is there anything to stop me getting a pair of 15" bass bins to use as bass speakers for pub gigs where I don't want to worry too much about beer being spilt over my equipment? Quote
bass_ferret Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Why not get a couple of 1x15 bass cabs if thats what you want. Have you seen the sensitivity of those ones on e-bay. Quote
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 [quote name='therealting' post='32110' date='Jul 15 2007, 12:18 PM']Was wondering whether anyone's tried using speakers like these in their bass rig: [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-New-300-Watt-15-Bass-PA-Disco-Speaker-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ270144714685QQihZ017QQcategoryZ69967QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-New-300-Watt-15...1QQcmdZViewItem[/url] They're inexpensive, compact and pretty lightweight... I know I'd have to remove the passive low-pass-filter, but otherwise, is there anything to stop me getting a pair of 15" bass bins to use as bass speakers for pub gigs where I don't want to worry too much about beer being spilt over my equipment?[/quote] Cheap junk IMO. Quote
therealting Posted July 15, 2007 Author Posted July 15, 2007 Is the poor sensitivity a question of a bad speaker driver, or poor cabinet design? If it's mostly a bad speaker, I certainly wouldn't mind swapping out the speaker... I was more wondering about the general idea of the thing. Some of the bass bins come with mid-range Eminence drivers which are probably better? Quote
Steve_K Posted July 15, 2007 Posted July 15, 2007 Those speakers are shocking, people have brought them to gigs before and I've just had them as a seat at the mixer Quote
Dragonlord Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 [quote name='therealting' post='32110' date='Jul 15 2007, 07:18 PM']I know I'd have to remove the passive low-pass-filter, but otherwise, is there anything to stop me getting a pair of 15" bass bins to use as bass speakers for pub gigs where I don't want to worry too much about beer being spilt over my equipment?[/quote] Frequency Response - 20 Hz to 500 Hz Quote
rodl2005 Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 YUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don't go There!!! Not 4 bass gtr! Quote
therealting Posted July 16, 2007 Author Posted July 16, 2007 Ok, I'll repeat... Is the poor sensitivity a question of a bad speaker driver, or poor cabinet design? If it's mostly a bad speaker, I certainly wouldn't mind swapping out the speaker... I was more wondering about the general idea of the thing. Some of the bass bins come with mid-range Eminence drivers which are probably better? I know they have bad frequency response, but that's mainly because of the low-pass filter. I'm mainly wondering what they are like as cabs. For 50 quid a cab, I don't mind paying to put new speakers in. Quote
ShergoldSnickers Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 [quote name='therealting' post='32413' date='Jul 16 2007, 10:46 AM']Ok, I'll repeat... Is the poor sensitivity a question of a bad speaker driver, or poor cabinet design? If it's mostly a bad speaker, I certainly wouldn't mind swapping out the speaker... I was more wondering about the general idea of the thing. Some of the bass bins come with mid-range Eminence drivers which are probably better? I know they have bad frequency response, but that's mainly because of the low-pass filter. I'm mainly wondering what they are like as cabs. For 50 quid a cab, I don't mind paying to put new speakers in.[/quote] I'll guess it's both. The speakers won't be up to much, and the cabinet design won't be particularly efficient. You need a true horn loaded design for that. Take a look at [url="http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/"]this web site[/url]. There is plenty to mull over on this site, and you should be able to build an Omni 10 for roughly the same amount as the eBay cabinet pair. One Omni 10 will go louder than both these cabs, as Bill's speakers are very good at converting Watts into sound level. Bill knows what he is doing, and has designed a range of speakers that surpass most big name commercial designs in efficiency and performance. Quote
Tinman Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 I used PA cabs (12" and 15") when I first started playing bass, awful! No definition, just a completely muddy mush. Didn't matter what I did with the EQ, I just couldn't get a good sound from them. IMO don't bother. Quote
Dr.Dave Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 Just to be a sort of fly in the ointment... We did a festival type gig a bit back ago and forgot to load my 1x15 , leaving just my mini 48. What was in the trailer were 2 turbo sound bass bins from our PA which weren't needed that day so I hooked up one of those. Got a phenomenal sound!! It was a one off though. Horses for courses generally and sure you could find a scruffy old bass guitar cab that the great unwashed can spill their pints on. Quote
RichBowman Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 We bought a Skytec monitor once - it was shoddy as hell, and that was in the relatively undemanding role as a vocal monitor. Was (and still is) simply awful. I'd steer well clear of that particular brand. Rich Quote
bass_ferret Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 I think there is a world of difference between Turbosound gear and this stuff. Quote
Bill Fitzmaurice Posted July 16, 2007 Posted July 16, 2007 [quote name='Dr.Dave' post='32449' date='Jul 16 2007, 07:11 AM']2 turbo sound bass bins from our PA which weren't needed that day so I hooked up one of those. Got a phenomenal sound!! .[/quote] Of course you did, because they're high quality cabs that cost at least twenty times what the boxes in question here do. I suspect the entire reason for the poster's question is that he's seeking an inexpensive alternative to traditional bass cabs. The short answer: you get what you pay for. Quote
therealting Posted July 16, 2007 Author Posted July 16, 2007 Again, thanks for all your input. I'll definitely not get these cabs! Sure, the low cost appeals to me, but I'm also attracted by their compact size and light weight. What about something like this: [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AudioPro-Proel-500-watt-12-Mini-Sub-Bass-Bins-Pair_W0QQitemZ280131804159QQihZ018QQcategoryZ23794QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/AudioPro-Proel-500-w...oQQcmdZViewItem[/url] Or should I generally avoid bass bins in favour of bass cabs? Quote
bass_ferret Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Cabs designed for bass guitar (or eub) are designed for bass guitar. Cabs designed for PA (particularly low end of the market not designed to take a fully mike'd or DI'd band) are not designed for bass guitar. The Ox used cabs using PA design principles like folded horn bass bins, acitve crossovers etc but they were a lot more than £300 a pair. Quote
therealting Posted July 19, 2007 Author Posted July 19, 2007 You'll all be relieved to hear that I bought an EBS Neo 2x12" cab this evening. Can't wait to hear it at full tilt in rehearsal tomorrow! Quote
bass_ferret Posted July 20, 2007 Posted July 20, 2007 Thats the most sensible thing you have said Quote
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