graham1945 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Got asked for this for the first time after playing for over fifty years. Is this a new thing? Anybody else experience this? I declare all my band income on my tax return, but I don't want to get involved in other band members' tax affairs. Edited February 27, 2017 by graham1945 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 [quote name='graham1945' timestamp='1488211984' post='3246835'] Got asked for this for the first time after playing for over fifty years. Is this a new thing? Anybody else experience this? I declare all my band income on my tax return, but I don't want to get involved in other band members' tax affairs. [/quote] Who asked you for that? I'd be wary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skb558 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I'd ask why but see no need for you to divulge NI number unless you are a prospective employee. Are they new to the business? They may be getting confused by False Self-Employment and Onshore Employment Intermediaries Legislation of 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low End Bee Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) This is on the gov.uk site [b] [i]"Who uses your National Insurance number[/i][/b] [i]These organisations need to know what your number is:[/i][list] [*][i]HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC)[/i] [*][i]your employer[/i] [*][i]the Department for Work and Pensions (which includes Jobcentre Plus and the Pension, Disability and Carers Service), if you claim state benefits, or in Northern Ireland the Department for Social Development[/i] [*][i]your local council, if you claim Housing Benefit, or the Northern Ireland Housing Executive[/i] [*][i]Electoral Registration Officers (to check your identity when you register to vote)[/i] [*][i]the Student Loan Company, if you apply for a student loan[/i] [*][i]your pension provider if you have a personal or stakeholder pension[/i] [*][i]your Individual Savings Account (ISA) provider, if you open an ISA[/i] [*][i]your financial services provider, if you have investments such as shares or bonds[/i] [/list] [i]To prevent identity fraud, keep your National Insurance number safe. Don’t share it with anyone who doesn’t need it."[/i] If they're your employer you get holiday and pension contributions.... Here's the link [url="https://www.gov.uk/national-insurance/your-national-insurance-number"]https://www.gov.uk/national-insurance/your-national-insurance-number[/url] Edited February 27, 2017 by Low End Bee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julesb Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 The landlord wasn't Nigel Farage was it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Only official Government departments should require it. That sounds a bit dodgy to me. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Never heard of that before, strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skybone Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 If they ask for your NI number, ask them about the Work Place Pension. A Pub Landlord doesn't need to know about you or your bands NI details. He's employing you as a Sub-Contractor to provide musical services to entertain the punters. As a Sub-Contractor, he pays you direct, and it's up to you to declare your income from providing your services. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerstodge Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Skybone is spot on^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 yup, sounds like arse covering going on.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham1945 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 Thanks for all of the above. It's a gig we've done for ten years, just a pub with music, BUT with a new landlady. Cheers Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorks5stringer Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 In the past I have known of landlords being given an entertainment allowance for bands by the brewery/parent company of say £200 a week and only paid bands £100-150 of it and kept the rest. A place asking for name and address may just be a way of the parent company checking that the money has made its way to the band and not to the landlords pocket? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) [quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1488221715' post='3246965'] yup, sounds like arse covering going on.. [/quote] "Arse covering" - is that like wallpapering a buttock or is the landlord expecting a cover of "Arse", that classic tune from Geddy and the Glutes? Edited February 27, 2017 by SpondonBassed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 [quote name='graham1945' timestamp='1488223451' post='3246988'] Thanks for all of the above. It's a gig we've done for ten years, just a pub with music, BUT with a new landlady. Cheers Graham [/quote] Is she a control freak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jecklin Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 The Landlord may be getting confused with a self employment UTR (unique tax reference). A great deal of my freelance work for educational institutions started asking for it on Invoices so I just include it as standard now. Basically to have a UTR means you are registered as self employed, the implication being if the landlord has invoices from performers with UTRs on them it doesn't look like he's made up a load of dodge invoices to launder money. Get him to clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downdown Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 [quote name='graham1945' timestamp='1488211984' post='3246835'] Got asked for this for the first time after playing for over fifty years. Is this a new thing? Anybody else experience this? I declare all my band income on my tax return, but I don't want to get involved in other band members' tax affairs. [/quote] Did you ask the landlord why they wanted this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham1945 Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) [quote name='Downdown' timestamp='1488224718' post='3247015'] Did you ask the landlord why they wanted this? [/quote] No, we were taken by surprise really. Having read all of the above we will now be able to discuss it. Thanks all. Edited February 27, 2017 by graham1945 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Just make one up :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike257 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I've got the odd client that have requested my UTR, and something on paper from HMRC confirming my self employed status. Most notably large national chain of venues that I do some freelance teching for who'd (so I was told) recently had the taxman give their books a good going over. Never given anyone my NI number in a work related capacity like that. As said above, there's no reason for it and nothing they can do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamdenRob Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Out of interest, what could a potential unsavoury character actually do with my national insurance number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6feet7 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Taking my wife's MINI in for a service at a main dealer and getting a courtesy car in return this Thursday and they have asked for my NI number. As we never usually use main dealers I've never encountered this before. Not a big problem but just never needed to before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr zed Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 [quote name='6feet7' timestamp='1488231497' post='3247131'] Taking my wife's MINI in for a service at a main dealer and getting a courtesy car in return this Thursday and they have asked for my NI number. As we never usually use main dealers I've never encountered this before. Not a big problem but just never needed to before. [/quote] They need this for an online licence check code. This is fairly new since the paper part of a driving license became defunct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Wonder if he's using it as a cursory illegal worker check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I have come across this with chains on the receipt they ask you to sign for the money, I've just ignored it and filled the rest in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 [quote name='mr zed' timestamp='1488234793' post='3247173'] They need this for an online licence check code. This is fairly new since the paper part of a driving license became defunct. [/quote] That's not their job though is it? You are supposed to do it and give them the temporary access code. I suspect in that case it's so you can do it on their computer if you haven't bought the code with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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