Owen Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 [URL=http://s8.photobucket.com/user/peredur/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20170304_211033_zpsyjioj9tm.jpg.html][IMG]http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a49/peredur/Mobile%20Uploads/20170304_211033_zpsyjioj9tm.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Is it dead or will Gaffa/Superglue/Something else do the magic thing and make it better? The whole sorry saga is here if anyone cares. http://basschat.co.uk/topic/297345-10-driver-into-oldschool-gk-combo/ . It was not a good day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrn1989 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 damn Ive nearly been there before... Im pretty sure its had it, i dont think gaffe would suffice, look at a recon if the speakers value warrants it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downdown Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 If it still works then it's not dead. The real issue is what it sounds like - a similar thing worked out well for Dave Davies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrn1989 Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 im guessing it would tear further though, used as it is. Wouldn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Not always, I have had speakers in old cars that have holes you could put your thumb in and it hasn't spread. Sound quality is the key issue though, give it a go there is no harm you can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markstuk Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Tissue paper in layers with wood glue.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mep Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 Bummer. If it was in the cone you could fix it but I'm not sure how easy it is to fix where you have holed it. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3below Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) [quote name='mep' timestamp='1488743171' post='3251480'] Bummer. If it was in the cone you could fix it but I'm not sure how easy it is to fix where you have holed it. Good luck [/quote] +1 to the above. Since it is a puncture wound the original surround and suspension fabric / paper will still be attached. I would push it back into place and reform the shape of the surround as best you can. Apply copydex to each side in turn allowing each side to set. You might want to cut a small piece of tissue paper to fit, fold into shape to replicate the folds and copydex it onto the back) A serious case of Sod's law, if only the hole was in the main cone..... I have suggested copydex rather than wood glue due to the flexibility. You have nothing to lose now by attempting a repair. Edited March 5, 2017 by 3below Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beer of the Bass Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 (edited) I've repaired similar holes on guitar speakers and got away with it, but guitar speakers generally have treated paper surrounds rather than fabric and they don't have to flex as far in use. On guitar speakers, I've used coffee filter paper coloured black with marker pen, torn strips off it (so that they have soft, feathered edges) and used whatever flexible adhesive I had around to stick it to the cone. The paper forms easily to the folds when wet and adds very little extra mass. On the surround section that's already painted with a doping compound you have to look quite closely to notice that it's been repaired. The last time I did it, I used water-based neoprene glue, but that was just because I'd just fitted tolex to an amp and had some left. (And come to think of it, that glue behaves much like a less smelly Copydex) I'm not sure whether some other reinforcing material might be more appropriate with a cloth surround though. Edited March 5, 2017 by Beer of the Bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandad Posted March 5, 2017 Share Posted March 5, 2017 [quote name='3below' timestamp='1488744910' post='3251503'] +1 to the above. Since it is a puncture wound the original surround and suspension fabric / paper will still be attached. I would push it back into place and reform the shape of the surround as best you can. Apply copydex to each side in turn allowing each side to set. You might want to cut a small piece of tissue paper to fit, fold into shape to replicate the folds and copydex it onto the back) A serious case of Sod's law, if only the hole was in the main cone..... I have suggested copydex rather than wood glue due to the flexibility. You have nothing to lose now by attempting a repair. [/quote] +1 for copydex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owen Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share Posted March 6, 2017 Thanks all, I will get onto it with some Unibond Repair Extreme. At least life is not dull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 Been there and done that! Copydex is your friend. I put an equal amount on the opposite side of the speaker as well just to balance things up, just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 3Below has the right technique. Most glues go too hard when cured. I wouldn't use white glue even on the cone never mind the surround. Copydex is latex based, it makes rubber as it cures so ideal here. It also sticks really well to paper and fabric. You ought to be able to laminate it up to cover the hole enough to effect a complete repair. A tiny bit of toilet tissue might be needed to bridge the hole and give you something to layer the latex on to. Neoprene glue might be as good, I've not tried it. Copydex is widely available and well tried though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawman Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 This just reminds my of my first ever cab - 1x15 bought off ebay, got it delivered and plugged in - sounded terrible. Opened it up and most of the speaker was being held together with sellotape on the back, including where this one's been punctured. So yeah, don't use sellotape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subthumper Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Swap the screws for posidrives, you'll be much less likely to slip with the screwdriver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 It's true that you're more likely to punch the surround with a slotted screwdriver. The secret, however, is to make a habit of putting your thumb in between the screw and the surround when tightening or undoing the screws. I do it automatically now and have done for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LITTLEWING Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 [quote name='markstuk' timestamp='1488742967' post='3251477'] Tissue paper in layers with wood glue.. [/quote] Yep. Spot on. (Done that in my time!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost_Bass Posted March 10, 2017 Share Posted March 10, 2017 My first ever amp (Trace Elliot Boxer 15) has a hole in the middle of the cone, probably also a screwdriver or similar. It's been held together with scotch tape ever since i can remember and it never teared or put out farty sounds. If i were you i would try the toilet/kitchen paper + art attack glue (50-50 wood glue and water ) solution first but the result will be a stiff zone in the fix, you can also try to see if you can use contact glue or gasket silicone mixed with the TP/Kitchen paper for the repair as both are flexible so, in theory, will last longer. As the damage is in the suspension of the cone it may not last forever but it's cheap and easy to try before spending on a re-cone or new driver. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goingdownslow Posted March 11, 2017 Share Posted March 11, 2017 Another vote for using something flexible like copydex. I seem to remember using rubber solution, as used for fixing punctures, to repair something similar years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raggy Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 More importantly, do you sound like JJ now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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