Time signature debate

[JamesBass]

The Kill by 30 Seconds To Mars is a song I am currently teaching at a group junior tuition school. The drum teach, guitar teachers, and I were today debating what the time signature is.

The drum teacher believes it to be 3/4. The guitar teachers and I are saying 6/8. Personally I'm feeling it as triplets over 2/4 or half time. Which would be counted as 6/8.

Opinions from the wise old basschat community!

https://youtu.be/8yvGCAvOAfM

[scalpy]

Compound duple, now, difficult question, what kind of G&L is that? Nice to see one in a video.

[pmjos]

Yeah Id give that 6/8.

[pmjos]

Ok, I'm going to deviate off too. My wife got me to tag along to see these guys several years ago in London before they got bigger. I hate that bloody Jared Leto! Good looking, film actor, impressive singer/performer live and just to put pepper on it was dating Cameron Diaz round the time she fitted into that red dress in The Mask....... boom!

When I saw them bass player Tomo was on a P - bit of G&L product placement methinks.

[paul_5]

6/8

[bubinga5]

its 6/8

Should the drum teacher maybe know this.?

Edited June 29, 2017 by bubinga5

[Phil Starr]

6/8 http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0055856

[chrismuzz]

Kick on beat one, snare on beat 2, triplets. Definitely 6/8. I feel sorry for the drum teachers students

[paul_c2]

It occurs sufficiently often in classical music that it has a name - hemiola. Its 6/8 but there's definitely 3 over 2 polyrhythms involved.

[lowdown]

[quote name='paul_c2' timestamp='1498781258' post='3327061']
It occurs sufficiently often in classical music that it has a name - hemiola. Its 6/8 but there's definitely 3 over 2 polyrhythms involved.
[/quote]

Agreed, along with 6/8 for me as well.

I can see why the OP Drummer might think it's 3/4, @5:08 when the Drums drop out, there is a definite Viennese Waltz feel.
So, I wouldn't write the Drummer off as a dud just yet.

Edited June 30, 2017 by lowdown

[Phil Starr]

[quote name='paul_c2' timestamp='1498781258' post='3327061']
It occurs sufficiently often in classical music that it has a name - hemiola. Its 6/8 but there's definitely 3 over 2 polyrhythms involved.
[/quote]
thanks for this, just had an interesting read of the Wikipedia entry on this. [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiola"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemiola[/url]

I found the only way to count this song was 1-2-3 2-2-3, for most of the song the empahsis was on the first beat of the triplet and you could almost class it as a quick 3/4 (you could almost hear it as a waltz or end up swinging it) but there were some ambiguities which is where the 3 over 2 comes in I guess. I love these ambiguous rhythms. Didn't know about hemiola but now I know why Bernstein's America is so catchy

Edited June 30, 2017 by Phil Starr