TheGreek Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 This isn't it... https://reverb.com/uk/p/gibson-les-paul-standard-burst-1958-1960?device=c&gclid=CJeZ9vPX-dQCFQwo0wodrH8BSQ&hfid=4491678 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 No use to me ... I already have three of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted July 8, 2017 Author Share Posted July 8, 2017 ...and a Rottweiler who likes biting burglars? You're just teasing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 [quote name='Meddle' timestamp='1499539109' post='3332108'] I find it ironic that that is the [i]standard[/i] model. Gibson intended the Custom to be the top of the heap, but the Standards are considered the ultimate Les Paul to own, and to many it is the ultimate guitar. A production line guitar that took archtop construction methods, reproduced them in solid mahogany, and kitted out with weak microphonic humbuckers? A furiously heavy guitar with poor ergonomics, that feels like a headstone with a guitar neck attached. Limited upper fret access. Because it is vintage it will have worn out frets, with an army of angry nerds wanting to hunt you down if you consider replacing them. Crackly pots, worn out switch, intermittent output jack, worn finish, tarnished metal hardware, slippy tuners with crumbling buttons, worn out nut. I'm always wryly amused that people actually modified and upgraded the 'bursts' back in the day. a Northern European retailer fitted Hagstrom vibratos to a number of them (drilling out that precious maple top) to make them more marketable. And then there is the 'Bad Coconuts' Les Paul: If you ever feel bad about slipping with the screw driver or dropping solder on your bass or guitar, take solace in the fact that somebody took a 1959 Les Paul and gave it a second cutaway. ignore the 'Collectors Choice' stuff, it is just a joke. Now that Photobucket have changed their policy it is hard to find photos of 'Bad Coconuts' that I can link to. [/quote]I'll never un-see that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlloyd Posted July 8, 2017 Share Posted July 8, 2017 You could, for the same price, get this one... https://reverb.com/uk/item/4989524-gibson-les-paul-standard-1960-cherry-sunburst-rare-artist-owned I'm slightly confused why they were a bit cagey about it being owned by Kirk Hammett? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 And for the same price, you can get around 1300 pieces of this one : https://www.musicstore.de/en_GB/GBP/Jack-Danny-New-LS500-CS-Cherry-Sunburst/art-GIT0036734-000 Just change the logo and make a blind test, sure nobody will hear any difference as these old Gibson's are absolutely not worth the money asked even when they were new... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlloyd Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 [quote name='Hellzero' timestamp='1499587982' post='3332299'] And for the same price, you can get around 1300 pieces of this one : [url="https://www.musicstore.de/en_GB/GBP/Jack-Danny-New-LS500-CS-Cherry-Sunburst/art-GIT0036734-000"]https://www.musicsto...-GIT0036734-000[/url] Just change the logo and make a blind test, sure nobody will hear any difference as these old Gibson's are absolutely not worth the money asked even when they were new... [/quote] Hmm... Retail price on a Gibson Les Paul Standard in 1959 was $265: https://forgottenguitar.com/2016/02/12/gibson-price-list-from-1959/ Add 741% cumulative inflation: http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/ you get $2,228.67 That's not a million miles off what you would pay today for a hand finished guitar with a construction similar to a 1959 Les Paul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 I used to own something like ten pre CBS Jazz and Precision Fender basses and tried a lot. I also used to try some of these old Gibson's guitars (lots of ES) over the time. Please stop believing they are extraordinary instruments, most of them are real crap, only a few have a decent sound. I sold everything and bought new instruments, way far better in every aspect. It's only a matter of marketing. And don't forget that all these self called experts have been fooled quite often by magazines or even master luthiers (and myself also) testifying instruments as vintage when they were absolutely not... But you are right about the inflated price for a guitar built today with the same specs, except that todays guitar would be far better. Everything that is old is not better, look at me. :-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlloyd Posted July 9, 2017 Share Posted July 9, 2017 [quote name='Hellzero' timestamp='1499611879' post='3332490'] I used to own something like ten pre CBS Jazz and Precision Fender basses and tried a lot. I also used to try some of these old Gibson's guitars (lots of ES) over the time. Please stop believing they are extraordinary instruments, most of them are real crap, only a few have a decent sound. I sold everything and bought new instruments, way far better in every aspect. It's only a matter of marketing. And don't forget that all these self called experts have been fooled quite often by magazines or even master luthiers (and myself also) testifying instruments as vintage when they were absolutely not... But you are right about the inflated price for a guitar built today with the same specs, except that todays guitar would be far better. Everything that is old is not better, look at me. :-)) [/quote] Err... okay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Confucius, he say, there are two types of fool. One says: This is old, so it's good. The other says: This is new, so it's better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 And a third one saying : I knew the good old one was better. :-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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