AntLockyer Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I've been struggling with my back for a while and the worst part is bending from hte waist. My current Genz Benz 2x12 has been spot on for every gig I've played with it over the last couple of years and being on tilt back casters easy tomove about for a normal person. For me though it means bending down to reach the handles, putting me at a very awkward and painful angle. My idea then is to get something that is a 1 hand carry or a little left field taller than the 2x12 so I don't have to bend forward to wheel it around. Any recomendations? Head is an EBS Reidmar. I did consider DIY maybe a 15" with something else up top. As long as I can lean it over onto my car boot opening I can transport it. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Trolley? Seems a shame to get rid of the cab if you like it. Mount additional handles higher up/on top of it? Or a vertical 2x12, which is taller than what you have - BF ST, for example Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 It's already one of the tallest cabs I've seen barring an 8x10 and the handles are already on the top, how tall are you?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Unless it's not a NeoxT? then the answer 'is get a NeoxT' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntLockyer Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 I think handles that mount on the current handles might the the bodge I need. I'm 6'1" but when the can is angled back it's pretty low down especially if you are trying to get over uneven ground. I was looking at an Ampeg 6x10 on Ebay that gave me the idea for the additional handles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 This might seem like daft question as I don't know your medical history. Have you been to see the doctor about your back? I've tried different therapies including seeing a chiropractor and also physio. The latter having had a lasting effect on my lower back health. I think a tall 2x12 is the best route to go and you are there already. If it is a light weight cabinet then even better. I also use a trolley when necessary as mentioned above. It's one with nice big wheels on that doesn't get stuck on grass etc. For my small cabinets, yes I do have a pair of Berg HD112's which are nice and manageable despite not being 'neo', but when it comes to helium filled and big sounds, the Barfaced BB2 is super wonderful. If you want a much bigger 2x12, the the Big Twin II is a great cabinet, again, helium filled. This isn't a post about telling you to buy something new, but if you get a chance to handle different cabinets, you might find that it's where the handles are on your cabinet that is making you bend in a certain way? Make it a bit taller (stand it on a Gramma Pad for example) and you might find it easier to lift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I don't know the nature of what your back injury but speaking generally, IME you can never make a bad back 100% again. The best most of us can do is to stabilise it, ie stop it getting any worse. With that in mind, going heavier is a crazy thing to do with any back problems. Firstly, the obvious. . . . bend from your knees, not your waist. I assume you already know that. Then wear a wide belt around your waist if you are lifting, like weightlifters do. Then only hoist, ie lift when your other hand/arm is supporting you on another object. So one arm on a flat surface and lift with the other. That way during the lift phase, which is the dangerous bit, you're taking the weight across your back, shoulder to shoulder and not up your spine. Move to good quality, more powerful, smaller, lighter cabs (30lbs or less), and use several of them. I've been on multiple 112 cabs for the last 10 years and as a strategy for a back injury it really works. Always use a good trolley and try Pilates. It works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntLockyer Posted July 31, 2017 Author Share Posted July 31, 2017 I've been seen by various medical professionals and several thousands of my insurance companies pounds later I'm in just as much pain unfortuantely. Will figure out some sort of trolley/handle deal. Thanks all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Starr Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 You might be able to remove the slide up handle mechanism from a suitcase and fix it to the back of the cab, but I'd recomment a lightweight folding sack truck. If it won't slide under your cab then just get some bigger feet fitted to lift it a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 [quote name='Phil Starr' timestamp='1501513016' post='3345167'] I'd recomment a lightweight folding sack truck. If it won't slide under your cab then just get some bigger feet fitted to lift it a little.[/quote] You can tip the cab slightly and the trolley will slide right under. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 I have the Ashdown RM414 (a 4ohm 410) and have put some 4" castors on it. It makes it a doddle to wheel about. Getting a set of decent castors will add height to your cab, plus make the actual moving about of it so much easier. I`m 6 foot and the height of the 410 inc the castors is 29"/74cm, and pretty simple to get about. So thinking of the Genz 212 which seems about 78cm you`d add at least 10cm plus make the moving of it way easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddBass Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Another option would be to house the cab in a lightweight flight case - something like this http://www.bcsmanufacturing.co.uk/backline01.html That way the cab can stand on the wheel base and the top cover can have whichever handles you need and wherever you need them. Of course, you'll add a little weight, but the portability and height will both increase. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 They've already got wheels though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddBass Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 (edited) Only 2 small 'tilt' ones on the back edge (easy to remove to fit into more permanent base of case) - the case option potentially solves the suggested issues (height of cab and accessibility of handles). Edited July 31, 2017 by five-string.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Dean Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 For the same reason I'm looking into a 6 x 10" tilt back cab , as I have a van , even though the weight would be considerably more as long as the venue doesn't have stairs it should be easier to wheel about . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E sharp Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 That's my thinking too . Gone the NEO route and always reverted back to my Eden 410XLT ; but it's a bugger to lift - especially at 2AM . Going for the 610 version when funds allow - heavier , but far easier to shift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 [quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1501587495' post='3345683'] For the same reason I'm looking into a 6 x 10" tilt back cab , as I have a van , even though the weight would be considerably more as long as the venue doesn't have stairs it should be easier to wheel about . [/quote] I`m surprised you`ve not already got the RM610, Kevin. Great cabs, I had a blast through one last year at the LBGS, had a really nice sound to it, punchy and focused. Must admit, if any spare cash comes my way I might end up with one for bigger gigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Dean Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 [quote name='Lozz196' timestamp='1501623542' post='3346080'] I`m surprised you`ve not already got the RM610, Kevin. Great cabs, I had a blast through one last year at the LBGS, had a really nice sound to it, punchy and focused. Must admit, if any spare cash comes my way I might end up with one for bigger gigs. [/quote] As soon as I get my house move out of the way , I'll be looking for a old ABM 6 x10 , I prefer the bigger wheels & steel grill especially after a bit of a prang we had in the van But I will try one . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidder652003 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 If I was suffering with back issues, I'd ditch cabs completely, make sure the band had great PA and go DI and in ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Dean Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 [quote name='skidder652003' timestamp='1501656451' post='3346188'] If I was suffering with back issues, I'd ditch cabs completely, make sure the band had great PA and go DI and in ears. [/quote] & who's going to shift the PA ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH73 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Osteopath sessions and regular exercise including core body exercises may reduce the back pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertbass Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Something like this? http://www.flightcasehardware.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=875 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Why not go modular and use 2 smaller cabs like Barefaced 1x10s? My cat weighs more than those! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 [quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1501657113' post='3346194'] & who's going to shift the PA ? [/quote] You can gig without a bass amp but you can't gig without a pa (unless you're the shadows in a small venue). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 [quote name='paul_5' timestamp='1501666861' post='3346329'] Why not go modular and use 2 smaller cabs like Barefaced 1x10s? My cat weighs more than those! [/quote] The single Genz 2x12T would demolish a pair of those 1x10 cabs and yes I've tried one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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