Dad3353 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) I'm in the lucky position of having virtually no assets of marketable value; even to the point of owning duff kidneys and poor eyesight. Good luck squeezing pips out of [i]this [/i]lemon..! To me, this is all the more reason to be extra careful in one's daily activities. Because of this vulnerability, my conscience prevents me from being wilfully negligent and causing harm to others, so claims for responsibility would not arise. An accident, on the other hand, is just that: an accident, and should not be the subject of a claim for anything. To paraphrase: 'stuff' happens. That's Life, and should not become fodder for leeches. I have the same outlook concerning 'stuff' that I suffer. If it's someone's fault, redress could be due. If it's not, then it's not. That's Life. Edited August 30, 2017 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 [quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1504108554' post='3362740'] I'm in the lucky position of having virtually no assets of marketable value; even to the point of owning duff kidneys and poor eyesight. Good luck squeezing pips out of this lemon..! Despite this vulnerability, my conscience prevents me from being wilfully negligent and causing harm to others, so claims for responsibility would not arise. An accident, on the other hand, is just that: an accident, and should not be the subject of a claim for anything. To paraphrase: 'stuff' happens. That's Life, and should not become fodder for leeches. I have the same outlook concerning 'stuff' that I suffer. If it's someone's fault, redress could be due. If it's not, then it's not. That's Life. [/quote] Wilfully negligence and not-wilfully negligent is still negligence. The common thought that all claimants and defendants in these situations have is identical: "It won't happen to me" And yet it does. To tens of thousands of people every year. And in 99% of those the person causing it was not "wilfully negligent" in the slightest. Just normally negligent. You are effectively claiming that those people were "wilfully" negligent and that is nonsense. The vast majority of them are just people getting on with their lives when they do something or fail to do something that results in injury and losses to someone else. It's not wilful, it's not criminal, it's not culpable (and all those things are different) it is just poor decisions by humans. Your position seems to suggest you believe yourself to be infallible. Perhaps you do have a greater ability than all other humans. Perhaps your ability to judge a situation is the greatest any human has ever managed. But would you claim that ability was fully functional 24 hour per day, every day. Irrespective of mood, illness, amount of sleep, simple distraction etc etc? Never made a bad decision about anything in your life? Everyone has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) [quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1504109367' post='3362753']... Never made a bad decision about anything in your life? Everyone has. [/quote] Indeed, yes, and pay the consequences of that. T'will doubtless happen again before I peg out, and I'll assume that, too. Not sure about the 'negligent' part, though; that's not part of my psyché. I would claim to be perfect if it wasn't for my excessive modesty. ... Edited August 30, 2017 by Dad3353 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 There you go then! It could happen to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 This has fairly serious implications for car insurance too then. If you're driving to a gig and have an accident and don't have business cover you're screwed. Given the cost of business insurance it's beginning to look unviable to do once a month pub gigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 [quote name='TimR' timestamp='1504111748' post='3362785'] This has fairly serious implications for car insurance too then. If you're driving to a gig and have an accident and don't have business cover you're screwed. Given the cost of business insurance it's beginning to look unviable to do once a month pub gigs. [/quote] I paid extra on my car insurance this year to include driving to and from gigs and rehearsals. I had no choice, they all know what I do because my wife works there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhet Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Played a privet party once. We took a break between sets and when we came back into the hall a totally pissed woman was staggering around on the dance floor with my EB Stingray round her neck, being cheered on by other guests. Not impressed at all and subsequently bought a cheaper P Bass copy which does well enough for me with far less worry if anything horrible was to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 [quote name='Japhet' timestamp='1504115062' post='3362813'] Played a privet party once. We took a break between sets and when we came back into the hall a totally pissed woman was staggering around on the dance floor with my EB Stingray round her neck, being cheered on by other guests. Not impressed at all and subsequently bought a cheaper P Bass copy which does well enough for me with far less worry if anything horrible was to happen. [/quote] I would never leave gear on stage without at least one member of the band there to make sure no one tries to touch anything. Obviously, you can't expect the drummer to do that, turn your back and he'll wander off. Guitarist can't, he has to go outside for a smoke, so it's down to the poor old mug with the bass, every bloody time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 [quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1504115425' post='3362815']...can't expect the drummer to do that, turn your back and he'll wander off... [/quote] Can't agree with that. [quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1504115425' post='3362815']...the poor old mug with the bass... [/quote] Can heartily agree with that..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Damn you and your disagreeable agreements! Anyway, you don't know our drummer...lovely bloke, but short attention span. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerstodge Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 [quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1504115854' post='3362822'] Damn you and your disagreeable agreements! Anyway, you don't know our drummer...lovely bloke, but short attention span. [/quote]have we got the same drummer or are they all like that? (Sorry Dad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I don't think we share a drummer, so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I'm sorry, what were you sayi... Ooo look..! A bee..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 I think I know that drummer too! I never leave the gear unsupervised. It's just not worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimR Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 [quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1504119245' post='3362849'] ... I never leave the gear unsupervised. It's just not worth it. [/quote] Not just the damage people can do to the gear but the damage they can do to themselves. And blame you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Revisiting the title..I only buy good gear, and only play rough venues, so if I didn't take good gear to rough venues, I'd spend a lot of time sitting on my arse at home instead of having a bloody good time playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fretmeister Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 That would be "contributory negligence" But also - if they were hurt doing their own criminal act (such as taking your kit) then you'll be alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyquipment Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 My bass and guitar is cheap. The pedals not so much. However they are boss ones so good luck trying to destroy those. I've got all the serial numbers of them so if they get nicked.. Even my car is cheap. It's a 20 year old Toyota. Nobody will nick that and if that gets destroyed then I would just buy another £500 car and drive that until it stops. I go on the basis that everything is replaceable or serviceable. Whichever the cheapest. It's the painless way to go imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightlyseared Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 I've been thinking about this problem, and I believe the way forward is to spec a Maruszczyk that looks like a Marlin Sidewinder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted September 3, 2017 Share Posted September 3, 2017 I have no problem taking a high-end amp to a rough venue, but not any of my expensive vintage basses. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Foot Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Worst thing I've ever seen was a mates gig. Piss head staggered onstage, fell over a stand and lobbed his pint everywhere, fried pedals, ripped drum skins, broke a speaker. Stopped the show. I can't say I've ever felt too comfortable knowing that could happen anyway. There's always the threat of someone else leaving with your gear after packing anyway. I don't have back up rigs so id just get insurance if your gear is top range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 [quote name='Left Foot' timestamp='1504509844' post='3365263'] Worst thing I've ever seen was a mates gig. Piss head staggered onstage, fell over a stand and lobbed his pint everywhere, fried pedals, ripped drum skins, broke a speaker. Stopped the show. I can't say I've ever felt too comfortable knowing that could happen anyway. There's always the threat of someone else leaving with your gear after packing anyway. I don't have back up rigs so id just get insurance if your gear is top range. [/quote] When we're tearing down at 1:00am we work as a team and have several eyes on each other's gear at all times. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lozz196 Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 Irrespective of venue I take my gigging gear, that`s what I bought it for. It would annoy me greatly if someone deliberately knackered any of it, less so if it got knackered but was an accident. Luckily although some of the crowds we play to are seriously serious people, due to that very fact they behave themselves, they don`t need to walk about trying to impress people how hard they are and mess with bands instruments. It`s only the pretenders who cause the issues - and at some of the gigs we play the serious ones usually police the gigs better than the security, anyone taking liberties is inevitably taken to task, often with the worst of Paddington stares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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