Quatschmacher Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, dannybuoy said: Ok, technically that is a filter. But it's not a filter. It is. It’s just not resonant (I guess) and has no means of automating the sweep, which to be honest is what makes filters really cool. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Filter, envelope filter, autowah, wah, envelope follower, envelope detector... Anyone here clever enough to explain the differences in a way, say, a 5 year old could understand? (borrowed that from Einstein who claimed if you couldn't explain a concept to a five years old child, then you don't understand it well enough) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Anyone have any experience with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doddy Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, stewblack said: Anyone have any experience with this? I haven't got that one, but I do have the the original Envelope Phaser EP-1. The filter side is based off a Mutron and the phaser is based on a Univibe. I think it sounds great, but I don't take it out much because its huge. If the Bass Envelope Phaser is anywhere near the original it'll sound great, although with a lot less control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GisserD Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 19 hours ago, stewblack said: Filter, envelope filter, autowah, wah, envelope follower, envelope detector... Anyone here clever enough to explain the differences in a way, say, a 5 year old could understand? (borrowed that from Einstein who claimed if you couldn't explain a concept to a five years old child, then you don't understand it well enough) A filter is usually a circuit that cuts frequencies above (LPF) or below (HPF) a certain frequency cutoff. An envelope filter uses the playing dynamics to controll the cutoff value. The highest the volume of the signal, the more (or less) the cutoff is changed from a given start point. Auto wah is usually a LFO (low frequency oscillator) controlled cutoff. A wah pedal is usually a pedal rocker controlled cutoff frequency filter. To my knowledge most famous wah pedals are resonant band pass with clean blend? To me An envelope follower is a function of a pedal that sends exp or cv value out to another pedal. Chunk Brown dog for example. Envelope detection is the part of the circuitry in an envelope pedal that converts playing dynamics into a controll signal. To controll another parameter (not just cutoff) Edited January 10, 2021 by GisserD 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 That's brilliant, thank you @GisserD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, stewblack said: That's brilliant, thank you @GisserD He knows his onions does our Darren! He's not too shabby at pedals either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) Shall I post my Phonkify review here, or start a new thread? 🤔 I'll put it here Edited January 10, 2021 by stewblack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_5 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, stewblack said: Shall I post my Phonkify review here, or start a new thread? 🤔 I'll put it here Please do, would love to know what it’s like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Hand made in Greece, a tiny pedal, which is almost two pedals. Almost, because the octave only works in conjunction with the filter, and not on its own. My search for the ideal filter led me to the Tsakalis Audioworks phonkify after trying a fair few. I have a Future Impact which more than caters for my synthy filter sounds, and I have a Fwonkbeta I still haven't tamed yet, it can shake the fillings from your teeth. My most recent (prior to the Phonkify) is the Sonuus Wahoo. Unquestionably the most customisable of the lot, it is a complex bit of kit. All this helped clarify what I'm after. I want a filter which works. I don't want to have to twiddle knobs in a seemingly endless search for the one configuration that actually produces a noise. I want neither volume drop nor increase when I activate the pedal, but if I get either I want to be able to change them quickly. I want a funky, relatively liquid sound but one that retains the quality of my bass. I want to be able to change the sound in a swift, simple, intuitive way on the pedal itself. This little box ticks every one of those boxes. I also like the idea of octave pedals in conjunction with a filter, so that is a bonus, but not a deal breaker. To really hear why this is such a great pedal you need to hear it in a mix. Some filter pedals actually get on my tlts after a couple of minutes. They're just too in your face. This one is deceptive. Because it doesn't leap at you and grab you by the throat , but is still most definitely there, I jammed for a straight 40 minutes with it on the other night and loved how the sound sat in there. Forgot it was on - but in a good way. I've made a little vid for y'all, but remade it because I wanted some other noises with the bass . I don't own anything other than basses so I had to invent drums and keys. It's just an improvised loop with my fat hands getting in the way, but hopefully gives an idea. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, paul_5 said: Please do, would love to know what it’s like. ☝️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 @stewblack - what an excellent little review, thanks. It's got a built in octave up rather than octave down, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Al Krow said: @stewblack - what an excellent little review, thanks. It's got a built in octave up rather than octave down, right? Both. You sweep from lower to higher the farther left the more of the lower and vice versa. If you listen with headphones you should hear the low octave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Tell you one thing, playing the Fwonkbeta and the phonkify alongside a clean signal sounds pretty cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GisserD Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 On 08/01/2021 at 20:49, Quatschmacher said: @andybassdoyle, @GisserD, this looks interesting. i just found one on ebay. its not on ebay anymore. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshorepunk Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, GisserD said: i just found one on ebay. its not on ebay anymore. Damn, I saw it again this morning and nearly went for it, but needing another amp, so held off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Hi folks, I have some very specific questions, so I don't necessarily expect anyone to have answers, but I'm going to try. Has anyone owned Future Impact, SA Spectrum, and Pigtronix bass phaser? If so can FI, and / or Spectrum do what the Pigtronix does? Or can either at least get close to it? Is the Spectrum easy to adjust and set up on the fly or do you really need to be using a computer or an app? If the latter is the app easy to use or do you really need to connect up to a computer? NB: When I say 'easy' I am clearly using entirely subjective terminology, but I hope we can vaguely agree on a definition. I don't mean easy enough that someone like Donald Trump could use it, I mean someone with a few years experience of effects pedals could get comfortable with it in a couple of weeks. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 13, 2021 Author Share Posted January 13, 2021 On 08/01/2021 at 19:46, sshorepunk said: Here’s a rare one Barbanera Low Pass Filter - Mongerfooger MF-101 Clone. Damn - that thing looks good. On 08/01/2021 at 20:51, Quatschmacher said: Are these still available anywhere? Does it have the CV inputs and envelope out too? https://www.triungulolab.com/home/20-barbanera.html 23 hours ago, GisserD said: i just found one on ebay. its not on ebay anymore. A few of us are very eagerly awaiting a review on bass! This is a pretty decent review on six string (1.33 to 4.30 in particular) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee650 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, stewblack said: Hi folks, I have some very specific questions, so I don't necessarily expect anyone to have answers, but I'm going to try. Has anyone owned Future Impact, SA Spectrum, and Pigtronix bass phaser? If so can FI, and / or Spectrum do what the Pigtronix does? Or can either at least get close to it? Is the Spectrum easy to adjust and set up on the fly or do you really need to be using a computer or an app? If the latter is the app easy to use or do you really need to connect up to a computer? NB: When I say 'easy' I am clearly using entirely subjective terminology, but I hope we can vaguely agree on a definition. I don't mean easy enough that someone like Donald Trump could use it, I mean someone with a few years experience of effects pedals could get comfortable with it in a couple of weeks. Thanks. I remember the source audio Manta did a nice envelope phaser in the same vein. That same sound will probably be available on the SA Spectrum/C4 as well as loads of other stuff. Edited January 13, 2021 by lee650 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quatschmacher Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, lee650 said: I remember the source audio Manta did a nice envelope phaser in the same vein. That same sound will probably be available on the SA Spectrum/C4 as well as loads of other stuff. Indeed. One SA user spent a lot of time match his Pigtronix and shared the patches. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ567 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, stewblack said: Hi folks, I have some very specific questions, so I don't necessarily expect anyone to have answers, but I'm going to try. Has anyone owned Future Impact, SA Spectrum, and Pigtronix bass phaser? If so can FI, and / or Spectrum do what the Pigtronix does? Or can either at least get close to it? Is the Spectrum easy to adjust and set up on the fly or do you really need to be using a computer or an app? If the latter is the app easy to use or do you really need to connect up to a computer? NB: When I say 'easy' I am clearly using entirely subjective terminology, but I hope we can vaguely agree on a definition. I don't mean easy enough that someone like Donald Trump could use it, I mean someone with a few years experience of effects pedals could get comfortable with it in a couple of weeks. Thanks. The Spectrum is pretty to easy to adjust on the fly. Four most important parameters are adjusted via the 4 knobs on the front, just like a standard pedal. You can push the 'alt' button and access another four parameters via the same knobs. The app is easy to use, as is the desktop version. I prefer the desktop mainly because it's nicer to have a bigger screen and more the presentation of what you are tweaking (i.e. the options and knobs etc.) is more detailed. The infrastructure Source Audio have built with the whole neuro app system is impressive. Easy to load presets and there's a busy community of people making new sounds; everything is stored in the cloud so you can access it from whichever device and nothing gets lost. Oh and the pedal/software is amazing. You can create pretty much any filter sound you can imagine. There are envelope phaser sounds available but I don't know the Pigtronix enough to comment specifically. Basically... get one, you won't regret it. I certainly won't be buying any more filter pedals for a very long time! Edited January 13, 2021 by AJ567 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Thanks folks. I shall have to wait until I get some work again. But my questions have been comprehensively answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sshorepunk Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 On 12/01/2021 at 13:10, GisserD said: i just found one on ebay. its not on ebay anymore. Did it arrive yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GisserD Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, sshorepunk said: Did it arrive yet? yes. initial reports are very good. this was ereccorded within the 1st 10 mins of turning the thing on. so i have yet to master it by a long shot. but its very easy to get great sounds out of it. the Lvevel knob is actually an input gain which actually adds a lovley charcter to the sound. i think the original has this feature too. 1. Barbara solo. 2. Mastotron into Barbara 2. Madto into octamizer into Barbara 3. Octavbre into brown dog (env out) into barba 20210113_181746_1.mp4 Edited January 15, 2021 by GisserD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted January 15, 2021 Author Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) Another @GisserD discovery - check this out! Looks excellent, so much so that when I found GuitarGuitar had one in their Jan sale I couldn't resist...😊 Edited January 15, 2021 by Al Krow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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