TrevorR Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Sounds to me like a deliberate note choice on the first two measures to add a bit of dissonant tension which he then removes on the third and fourth measures. Or it could be the old trick of when you play a bum note always play it again so people think it's an "arrangement". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles'tone Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) I hear it but it sounds good to me. "If the sh!t fits, wear it." Edited October 12, 2017 by miles'tone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZilchWoolham Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Actually, hearing it again, it sounds fine. Unexpected, but fine. It's not like he's playing the major 3rd. It is unusual, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 [quote name='musicbassman' timestamp='1507822518' post='3388228'] Yup, it sounds 'wrong' to me also - but hey - is this really important? [/quote] Not really. But I'm intrigued that it seems to be a deliberate note choice, rather than a flub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalpy Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 This one note is the one element of Duck’s playing I’ve most successfully emulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1507825239' post='3388250'] Not really. But I'm intrigued that it seems to be a deliberate note choice, rather than a flub. [/quote] I think it's a clam ...It's a bad fit with the vocal and not in keeping with the spirit of the original. If it's not a wrong note and a personal choice, maybe he couldn't hear the vocal line when recording ? If you listen to the original, it's an 'A' (Bmin7 chord) and sits much better with the vocal. As others have said, it's not wrong to play the G# (well maybe in strict scale terms it is), but in this case it don't sound so nice. (All in [i]my[/i] ears opinion of course). The original (I think) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2apquxKKQ[/media] Edited October 12, 2017 by lowdown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZilchWoolham Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 [quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1507825830' post='3388258'] I think it's a clam ...It's a bad fit with the vocal and not in keeping with the spirit of the original. If it's not a wrong note and a personal choice, maybe he couldn't hear the vocal line when recording ? If you listen to the original, it's an 'A' (Bmin7 chord) and sits much better with the vocal. As others have said, it's not wrong to play the G# (well maybe in strict scale terms it is), but in this case it don't sound so nice. (All in [i]my[/i] ears opinion of course). The original (I think) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2apquxKKQ[/media] [/quote] I'm gonna have to say that's also a G#. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 [quote name='ZilchWoolham' timestamp='1507826452' post='3388260'] I'm gonna have to say that's also a G#. [/quote] Originally listened on my iPad and thought it was an 'A', I have just sat at the Piano, and listened to YouTube through my desk top and yes you are right... So, Duck stayed true to the original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZilchWoolham Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 I'm going to have to agree, though, something about it sounds better! I'm assuming it might be because I tend to favour 60's soul recordings over 90's soul recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 [quote name='ZilchWoolham' timestamp='1507827384' post='3388265'] I'm going to have to agree, though, something about it sounds better! I'm assuming it might be because I tend to favour 60's soul recordings over 90's soul recordings. [/quote] I think it sounds better as well, not sure why though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilp Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 It's fine by me. Ever so slightly dissonant, but I suspect that;s deliberate to emphasise the key change. I your ears really can't tolerate that level of dissonance, I suggest you stick to Stock, Aitken and Waterman. It's the spice that makes music, IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 [quote name='neilp' timestamp='1507836055' post='3388328'] It's fine by me. Ever so slightly dissonant, but I suspect that;s deliberate to emphasise the key change. I your ears really can't tolerate that level of dissonance, I suggest you stick to Stock, Aitken and Waterman. It's the spice that makes music, IMHO [/quote] That's canny insulting, TBH. One man's 'dissonant' is another man's 'What the heck did he play that for?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JapanAxe Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 [quote name='neilp' timestamp='1507836055' post='3388328'] It's fine by me. Ever so slightly dissonant, but I suspect that;s deliberate to emphasise the key change. [/quote] What key change? The change to Eb doesn't come till nearly the end of the song. You might argue a brief modulation to Bm but that wouldn't call for a G# note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jus Lukin Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) - Edited February 25, 2022 by Jus Lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jaywalker Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) . Edited November 28, 2017 by The Jaywalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jaywalker Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) . Edited November 28, 2017 by The Jaywalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolo Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 [quote name='Jus Lukin' timestamp='1507851160' post='3388410'] I like Voivod [/quote] I think this is the most important statement of this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 [quote name='The Jaywalker' timestamp='1507853746' post='3388415'] Yes, but that doesn't mean the latter opinion is either informed or viable. I can understand if folks think the post sounded harsh - but there's a bigger musical world out there happily containing and accepting much more colour and dissonance than, as NeilP said, the very slight dissonance Duck laid down on this track. [/quote] Thanks for the advice, but I’m familiar with harshness, colour and dissonance. I’m questioning whether this instance is appropriate in an r’n’b classic :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lojo Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I wish more recordings where like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scalpy Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 It’s all missing the point really, the really impressive thing is he’s playing crotchets pretty much throughout and the band is grooving it’s sweet behind off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beedster Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 [quote name='TrevorR' timestamp='1507824326' post='3388240'] Or it could be the old trick of when you play a bum note always play it again so people think it's an "arrangement". [/quote] Damn, I thought that was my secret. Did pretty much a whole gig doing exactly that on DB, and was offered a Jazz gig immediately afterwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1507874810' post='3388427'] I'm questioning whether this instance is appropriate in an r'n'b classic :-D [/quote] Being pedantic. . . . at the time we called it Soul Music. R&B was a totally different thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1507880120' post='3388454'] Being pedantic. . . . at the time we called it Soul Music. R&B was a totally different thing. [/quote] Fair cop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 That was a pre first cup of tea post. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted October 13, 2017 Author Share Posted October 13, 2017 [quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1507880354' post='3388456'] That was a pre first cup of tea post. Sorry. [/quote] No problem - I'm always happy to be corrected :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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