Duck Dunn in wrong note shocker?

[TrevorR]

Sounds to me like a deliberate note choice on the first two measures to add a bit of dissonant tension which he then removes on the third and fourth measures.

Or it could be the old trick of when you play a bum note always play it again so people think it's an "arrangement".

[miles'tone]

I hear it but it sounds good to me.
"If the sh!t fits, wear it."

Edited October 12, 2017 by miles'tone

[ZilchWoolham]

Actually, hearing it again, it sounds fine. Unexpected, but fine. It's not like he's playing the major 3rd. It is unusual, though.

[wateroftyne]

[quote name='musicbassman' timestamp='1507822518' post='3388228']
Yup, it sounds 'wrong' to me also - but hey - is this really important?
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Not really. But I'm intrigued that it seems to be a deliberate note choice, rather than a flub.

[scalpy]

This one note is the one element of Duck’s playing I’ve most successfully emulated.

[lowdown]

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1507825239' post='3388250']
Not really. But I'm intrigued that it seems to be a deliberate note choice, rather than a flub.
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I think it's a clam ...It's a bad fit with the vocal and not in keeping with the spirit of the original. If it's not a wrong note and a personal choice, maybe he couldn't hear the vocal line when recording ?
If you listen to the original, it's an 'A' (Bmin7 chord) and sits much better with the vocal. As others have said, it's not wrong to play the G# (well maybe in strict scale terms it is), but in this case it don't sound so nice.
(All in [i]my[/i] ears opinion of course).

The original (I think)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2apquxKKQ[/media]

Edited October 12, 2017 by lowdown

[ZilchWoolham]

[quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1507825830' post='3388258']
I think it's a clam ...It's a bad fit with the vocal and not in keeping with the spirit of the original. If it's not a wrong note and a personal choice, maybe he couldn't hear the vocal line when recording ?
If you listen to the original, it's an 'A' (Bmin7 chord) and sits much better with the vocal. As others have said, it's not wrong to play the G# (well maybe in strict scale terms it is), but in this case it don't sound so nice.
(All in [i]my[/i] ears opinion of course).

The original (I think)
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My2apquxKKQ[/media]
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I'm gonna have to say that's also a G#.

[lowdown]

[quote name='ZilchWoolham' timestamp='1507826452' post='3388260']
I'm gonna have to say that's also a G#.
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Originally listened on my iPad and thought it was an 'A', I have just sat at the Piano, and listened to YouTube through my desk top and yes you are right...
So, Duck stayed true to the original.

[ZilchWoolham]

I'm going to have to agree, though, something about it sounds better! I'm assuming it might be because I tend to favour 60's soul recordings over 90's soul recordings.

[lowdown]

[quote name='ZilchWoolham' timestamp='1507827384' post='3388265']
I'm going to have to agree, though, something about it sounds better! I'm assuming it might be because I tend to favour 60's soul recordings over 90's soul recordings.
[/quote]

I think it sounds better as well, not sure why though.

[neilp]

It's fine by me. Ever so slightly dissonant, but I suspect that;s deliberate to emphasise the key change. I your ears really can't tolerate that level of dissonance, I suggest you stick to Stock, Aitken and Waterman. It's the spice that makes music, IMHO

[wateroftyne]

[quote name='neilp' timestamp='1507836055' post='3388328']
It's fine by me. Ever so slightly dissonant, but I suspect that;s deliberate to emphasise the key change. I your ears really can't tolerate that level of dissonance, I suggest you stick to Stock, Aitken and Waterman. It's the spice that makes music, IMHO
[/quote]

That's canny insulting, TBH.

One man's 'dissonant' is another man's 'What the heck did he play that for?'

[JapanAxe]

[quote name='neilp' timestamp='1507836055' post='3388328']
It's fine by me. Ever so slightly dissonant, but I suspect that;s deliberate to emphasise the key change.
[/quote]

What key change? The change to Eb doesn't come till nearly the end of the song. You might argue a brief modulation to Bm but that wouldn't call for a G# note.

[Jus Lukin]

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Edited February 25, 2022 by Jus Lukin

[The Jaywalker]

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Edited November 28, 2017 by The Jaywalker

[The Jaywalker]

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Edited November 28, 2017 by The Jaywalker

[Bolo]

[quote name='Jus Lukin' timestamp='1507851160' post='3388410']

I like Voivod
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I think this is the most important statement of this topic.

[wateroftyne]

[quote name='The Jaywalker' timestamp='1507853746' post='3388415']

Yes, but that doesn't mean the latter opinion is either informed or viable. I can understand if folks think the post sounded harsh - but there's a bigger musical world out there happily containing and accepting much more colour and dissonance than, as NeilP said, the very slight dissonance Duck laid down on this track.
[/quote]

Thanks for the advice, but I’m familiar with harshness, colour and dissonance.

I’m questioning whether this instance is appropriate in an r’n’b classic :-D

[lojo]

I wish more recordings where like this

[scalpy]

It’s all missing the point really, the really impressive thing is he’s playing crotchets pretty much throughout and the band is grooving it’s sweet behind off.

[Beedster]

[quote name='TrevorR' timestamp='1507824326' post='3388240']
Or it could be the old trick of when you play a bum note always play it again so people think it's an "arrangement".
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Damn, I thought that was my secret. Did pretty much a whole gig doing exactly that on DB, and was offered a Jazz gig immediately afterwards

[chris_b]

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1507874810' post='3388427']
I'm questioning whether this instance is appropriate in an r'n'b classic :-D
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Being pedantic. . . . at the time we called it Soul Music. R&B was a totally different thing.

[wateroftyne]

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1507880120' post='3388454']
Being pedantic. . . . at the time we called it Soul Music. R&B was a totally different thing.
[/quote]

Fair cop.

[chris_b]

That was a pre first cup of tea post. Sorry.

[wateroftyne]

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1507880354' post='3388456']
That was a pre first cup of tea post. Sorry.
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No problem - I'm always happy to be corrected :-)