funkydoug Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 (edited) I'm in love with the sound of my Trace SMX12 amp. I'm also aware that it is about 25yr old. Would it be possible to recreate the sound using modern gear?? I'm thinking you'd need; dual band comp (ashdown or EBS), tube preamp that stays clean (Eden do a pedal one I think) and a graphic/ flexible EQ pedal. All of it quiet and lossless. So, I suppose my question is... Is the SMX sound the sum of these parts or is there something else in there that is not on the front panel??? Cheers, Doug. PS. Yes I could just buy a second one as a backup plan, it that would be too easy! Edited October 23, 2017 by funkydoug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannybuoy Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 If only Trace Elliot would release a modern multi FX pedal with their pre shape, EQ, drive and dual band comp... Oh wait, they have! [IMG]https://www.shop2rock.de/shop/images/products/gallery/traceelliot_transit_b_1.jpg[/IMG] GAS:ignited Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydoug Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 Cheers Danny, That does look like it could ignite some GAS! However, I'm still wondering about the SMX sound... Is this this thing faithful to that sound?? I think a few of us would agree that the SMX was a really special amp... Do any techs who have worked on them have a view of them based on their experience?? Quite likely to get the Transit B thing anyway though as it ticks a lot of boxes. Cheers, I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I'm waiting for the price to come down on the Transit B before diving in with one to go with my Elf, which BTW, does not do your classic TE tones. My answer to your question is currently a "No". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydoug Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 Hiya Mick, So do you mean that the SMX sound can't be remade by assembling pedals chosen for the job? Not the news I was hoping for, ha! I wonder whether the power stage is the bit that is hard to recreate?? In the meantime I've got hold of an SMX compression pedal so the first part of the jigsaw is there... Cheers, Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musicman20 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 The closest I have got is the Genz Benz Shuttlemax tone....I have the 9.2 and it is a very similar quick clear and bright tone. I LOVE it. Plus it is less than half the size and about 1/10 of the weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japhet Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Funny the Shuttlemax gets a mention. When I sold my old Trace head I replaced it with a Genz Streamliner which has (to my ears) a very 'Trace' type sound to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydoug Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 They look great, never heard one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydoug Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 Returning to this question ... I am now thinking that the magic that I love in the SMX is mainly the combination of the valve preamp, the 'shape' button and the compression, combined with the red 30hz EQ slider (which frees up the speaker for useful business, as far as I know .. although that may be entirely imaginary!). That seems like a signal chain that can be re-created. So, from a technical is there something happening in trace amps that is 'behind the panel'? What I mean is, are there components in the amp that the user can't see or interact with that create the tone??? Maybe the cabs are particularly well matched?? For what its worth, I did a recording session recently with my SMX combo and it just sounded amazing. No effort to get an instantly awesome sound! What wasn't awesome was getting it up 4 flights of stairs to the live room! Cheers, Doug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiMarco Posted November 16, 2017 Share Posted November 16, 2017 I never used the pre-shape on mine, it is the suck mode knob. Instead I use the 12band to cut 30hz and boost 40-200hz around 4db, also boost trebs a tiny bit for more crisp. Otherwise EQ is flat. The SMX dualband comp sounds WAY better then that dualband Ashdown budget piece of **** I threw away, Tube warmth can be created with either pigtronix or ehx (black finger) pedals, also find a used market SMX compressor pedal and you're there. But again, I find the pre-shape circuit is AWFULL and very eighties sounding. Don't need or want that. Alas my RAH600SMX has died, I am now using the Hexa Valve exclusively, with a Cali76cb compressor pedal. I think it sounds even better now then the SMX did back when I used it. Trace sound but more responsive and warm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmorris Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Just a quick note to say that not all TE SMX compressor pedals sound the same. I had two at one point and noticed a difference. Looking inside the PCB issue number was different. I haven't found anything documented on it - might just be a level difference...or something. One definitely sounded 'better' somehow so obvs I kept that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkydoug Posted November 17, 2017 Author Share Posted November 17, 2017 Thanks for the input guys. Feel almost shameful in saying I like the pre-shape!! Yeah the dual band comp is definitely part of it, and sounds like that was inconsistent... making it even harder to replicate. I think FEA make a pedal or two that are kind of re-boots of the SMX comp, but they aren't cheap! Also glad to hear you also cut the red slider DiMarco. The quest continues, just preparing for the inevitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I was convinced the compressor wasn't working on my SMX, so I recorded it and looked at the wav file and it's definitely doing something, subtle in the extreme 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I love the old heads and combos - they produce the tones I want and do everything that I want them to, except maybe carrying themselves up and down stairs. The endorsees list from the 80s and 90s reads like a who's who of the greatest players from that era...Trace Elliot must have been doing something right. I'm sure the original tones can be replicated but it would certainly cost more than the price of a second hand rig. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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