taunton-hobbit Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 I always thought that the Beatles were a pretty good business model........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 [quote name='taunton-hobbit' timestamp='1509911950' post='3402577'] I always thought that the Beatles were a pretty good business model........ [/quote] I know Brian negotiated 10k for 3 appearances on the Ed Sullivan Show in 1964. More than most folks were making in a year at that time. Personally I think Brian could have gotten more. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1509896095' post='3402385'] I guess you had to be there.😂 Blue [/quote] My point being that you are not 'here' , you are still back 'there' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taunton-hobbit Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Yeah, but we had J.R. Hartley, Ford Zodiacs and dodgy politicians it was soooooooo much better then.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJpullchord Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Our generation had dirty warehouse acid techno. You had to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1509915859' post='3402612'] My point being that you are not 'here' , you are still back 'there' [/quote] Maybe I'm 64, and Ed's music, even though I haven't heard any of it, is not my music. His fans are young people it's their music. They're there, I'm not. I think we're on the same page. Blue Edited November 5, 2017 by blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1509915859' post='3402612'] you are still back 'there' [/quote] Proud, lucky and comfortable. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1509912484' post='3402584'] Personally I think Brian could have gotten more.[/quote] Brian Epstein was a terrible manager. Some US business men came over to see him to negotiate a deal for providing Beatles merchandise. The first thing Epstein said was "we won't accept anything less than 7 1/2%." These guys were expecting to start haggling at around 30%. Epstein was totally out of his depth from day 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 [quote name='Leonard Smalls' timestamp='1509904387' post='3402504'] It's the use of MOST influential that I object to. They were influenced by Dylan to write more interesting lyrics; Dylan was influenced by them (and many others!) to go electric. They would have been influenced by the psychedelia of the likes of the Electric Prunes to produce their later stuff (see the Nuggets and Pebbles albums series for examples). It's not like they invented rock'n'roll! Meanwhile you've got the whole of black music to ignore as the MOST influential on rock and pop; I spose Chuck Berry, Little Richard et al had no influence on anybody. Or for that matter, Sister Rosetta Tharpe, or Robert Johnson or a host of other blues men did nowt to change music. Or James Brown, Motown, Hendrix, George Clinton/Bootsy, Sly and the Family Stone, Africa Bambaata etc. It's ridiculous to say someone is the MOST influential; it's like saying Dali is the most influential artist, or Charles Dickens the most influential author; Everybody is influenced by all sorts of stuff, including the Beatles; nobody lives in a bubble, and most importantly, it's not a bleedin' competition! [/quote] Great post. You are the [i]most[/i] influential poster in this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1509911660' post='3402572'] I would have to say I am more a huge fan of The Beatles but not necessarily their music. I can't think of four names that naturally roll off the tongue more than; John, Paul, George & Ringo. Blue [/quote] Careful now. That's close to admitting to being a groupie! Heeheehee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 [quote name='ivansc' timestamp='1509910484' post='3402554'] ...traditional irish folk music... [/quote] Excellent point! People focus on the fabs being from Liverpool while forgetting that Liverpool is strongly influenced by Irish culture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1509897157' post='3402397'] I give myself kudos and credibility for all sorts of stuff all the time. I think I was 9 or 10 years old. I had their records and knew I wanted in on all if it. the beat, girls, the fashion, the attention, I wanted to be cool. They opened the door to all that for me. And if history serves right I wasn't alone. Blue [/quote] I credit you for embedding yourself in the colours of the US flag on your avatar. Subtle yet patriotic. Good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 I think all musicians are influenced by many others. The difference here is that the majority of musicians don't influence others in the same way as a well known or famous band. Just as an example the Electric Prunes i've not heard off but because the Beatles were more famous ie in the charts and media at the time i know of their music. My point being that it takes a famous well known band to change the way people see music and to influence the masses. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 [quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1509950590' post='3402735'] Great post. You are one of the influential posters in this topic. [/quote] Fixt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Harharharhar. I walked right into that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfretrock Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1509911660' post='3402572'] . I can't think of four names that naturally roll off the tongue more than; John, Paul, George & Ringo. [/quote] Possibly the only band for which average Joe Public can name both the drummer and the bass player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 [quote name='pfretrock' timestamp='1509968550' post='3402886'] Possibly the only band for which average Joe Public can name both the drummer and the bass player. [/quote] Possibly not if they had to pick 2 names from the 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfretrock Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 [quote name='lurksalot' timestamp='1509980330' post='3402993'] Possibly not if they had to pick 2 names from the 4 [/quote] 4 items, choose 2, there are 6 possible choices, so 16% of Joe Public got the right answer, assuming the 4 names were known! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 Lots of great insights and knowledge shared in this thread. Especially since my main reason for posting it was to share the YouTube clip showing John's clear cut blatant response regarding the disk jockey that had stopped playing The Beatles records. Thanks Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 And there was virtually no interest at the beginning too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 [quote name='dmccombe7' timestamp='1510003588' post='3403243'] And there was virtually no interest at the beginning too [/quote] I know, I should take a look back to see who's post changed the tide. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 [quote name='blue' timestamp='1510000401' post='3403194'] ...my main reason for posting it was to share the YouTube clip showing John's clear cut blatant response regarding the disk jockey that had stopped playing The Beatles records... [/quote] Nutters of that calibre are not news to us Brits Blue. Glad you put the link up. I have the four segments saved for my grandkids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel36 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Even Jugglers are influenced by The Beatles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uaBBl3gXRs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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