Frank Blank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: @Frank Blank maybe consider something like a XR12 - you can dedicate a channel to each bass, each with individual gain and EQ and compression, overdrive etc... to build your core tone for each instrument... whatever you need. The amount of processing you get in that small box is just staggering, if you can’t make that work for you... The Behringer XR12? We are (as you suggested earlier in this thread) then we are heading towards mixer/IEM territory. I was unsure about this route but after discussing it with my musical partner, who is interested in this route, it seems we might head this way. So could I, using such a piece of kit, put both basses through but switch between them with a foot switch? And could we (as in my duo) put my basses and my partner’s acoustic through this and then send to the desk from it and then monitor from it via our powered wedges or IEMs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I hear (of have heard) bad reports about the quality of Behringer gear? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bridgehouse Posted January 12, 2019 Author Share Posted January 12, 2019 @Frank Blank - Personally I would build a mini board (I use a pedal train Nano) and have two preamps going to the QSC. I’ve done this a few times. You could use a Boss line switcher for input or output or some other a/b pedal if you only wanted one lead to the QSC. Thing is, you love the fish man sound - so keep it. It won’t do what you want for the other bass so a small board with 2 on will cover both. You can then delight in the joy of trying loads of preamp pedals. Personally it’s one of my fave hobbies - I love trying preamp pedals out. Got my eye on a subway next and it will no doubt continue ad Infinitum.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Bridgehouse said: @Frank Blank - Personally I would build a mini board (I use a pedal train Nano) and have two preamps going to the QSC. I’ve done this a few times. You could use a Boss line switcher for input or output or some other a/b pedal if you only wanted one lead to the QSC. Thing is, you love the fish man sound - so keep it. It won’t do what you want for the other bass so a small board with 2 on will cover both. You can then delight in the joy of trying loads of preamp pedals. Personally it’s one of my fave hobbies - I love trying preamp pedals out. Got my eye on a subway next and it will no doubt continue ad Infinitum.... Actually I like this idea, but I’m worried that I like it for the same reason you do, trying out loads of preamp pedals. Anyway, so if I were running two preamps, how would the chain go, bass > pre 1 > pre 2 > line switcher > QSC? Excuse my ignorance, I’m a proper newb to this. Also you say “...if you only want one lead to the QSC”, I thought you could only use the line b input for instruments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delberthot Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Frank Blank said: Actually I like this idea, but I’m worried that I like it for the same reason you do, trying out loads of preamp pedals. Anyway, so if I were running two preamps, how would the chain go, bass > pre 1 > pre 2 > line switcher > QSC? Excuse my ignorance, I’m a proper newb to this. Also you say “...if you only want one lead to the QSC”, I thought you could only use the line b input for instruments? You could plug your bass into the input of the LS-2 and the output to the QSC. Preamp 1 would be in loop 1 and preamp 2 would be in loop 2. Set the mode to A<->B and you can go between the two. Alternatively go bass - preamp1 - preamp2 - QSC and switch them on and off as necessary. This may give you a completely different sound running them one after the other rather than 1 or the other despite one being off and the other being on Edited January 12, 2019 by Delberthot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Frank Blank said: The Behringer XR12? We are (as you suggested earlier in this thread) then we are heading towards mixer/IEM territory. I was unsure about this route but after discussing it with my musical partner, who is interested in this route, it seems we might head this way. So could I, using such a piece of kit, put both basses through but switch between them with a foot switch? And could we (as in my duo) put my basses and my partner’s acoustic through this and then send to the desk from it and then monitor from it via our powered wedges or IEMs? Not really - if I was going to suggest.a XR for IEM use, I’d say XR18 for the aux count. If you are looking to go that route, go for the XR18 straight off. If you want flexibility and want to run a stand-alone setup, then you can get away with the XR12. You can run your mainouts to the QSC and an aux to a FOH mixer, of an aux to your QSC and the main out to your foh mixer. The XR18 could do both jobs of the XR12 and foh mixer. You can either mute the channels (or turn the volumes down on the basses that are connected to the mixer) and have all your instruments plugged into the mixer. Or you could have one lead into a switch which would a b into two channels on the mixer. The reason I am a fan of digital mixers is because they tend to give a lot more flexibility than most pres - for example, you typicall get a 3 or 4 band eq, with adjustable freq point, q in addition to cut and boost. You get lpf and hpf. You get 31 band eqs so you can notch out troublesome frequencies... In addition to that, you then have highly tweakable compressors, even multiband compressors. Everything you state is possible... you have LR out for your main speakers, and then aux outs for backline, monitors or even IEMs. For an acoustic setup especially, I don’t know why you wouldn’t just go XR18. @stingrayPete1977 has just sacked off all his amps and external pres - I believe he puts his upright and elec bass into his xr16 and let that do everything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Frank Blank said: I hear (of have heard) bad reports about the quality of Behringer gear? Historically yes - but the XR and X32 have proven themselves to be as reliable as the competition. Remember that a lot of Behringers digital desk development has been done in tandem with Midas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Listen to me Frank 😉 you know it makes sense - stop thinking like a dinosaur!! 😛 Edited January 12, 2019 by EBS_freak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, EBS_freak said: Listen to me Frank 😉 you know it makes sense - stop thinking like a dinosaur!! 😛 I’m thinking exactly the opposite way mainly down to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, EBS_freak said: I don’t know why you wouldn’t just go XR18. Hmmmm, I’m not sure about the controls being on an iPad. Is my desire for knobs (steady) and switches dinosaurism? I use iPads but it seems... ...oh, hang on, I control Logic from my iPad, doh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Also if you went Midas MR18 you have a 10 year warranty if you have concerns about Behringer digital mixers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrixn1 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Frank Blank said: I alternate between basses, obviously the settings on the preamp need to change yet the Fishman has only one channel and obviously I don’t want to be altering the eq back and forth as the basses change. Are there preamps with the ability to save different eq settings and switch between them? Or is there another solution to this? @EBS_freak I use an MS-60B which has digital presets. As previously said though, if you're very happy with the Fishman then you'd probably want to keep it. 3 hours ago, Delberthot said: You could plug your bass into the input of the LS-2 and the output to the QSC. Preamp 1 would be in loop 1 and preamp 2 would be in loop 2. Set the mode to A<->B and you can go between the two. Alternatively go bass - preamp1 - preamp2 - QSC and switch them on and off as necessary. This may give you a completely different sound running them one after the other rather than 1 or the other despite one being off and the other being on Another option, if you want to physically connect two basses, is: bass 1 → pre-amp 1 → LS-2 input #1 bass 2 → pre-amp 2 → LS-2 input #2 LS-2 output → QSC You can use any AB switch here instead of LS-2. Edited January 12, 2019 by jrixn1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Dawson’s have a massive new shop in Leeds which I popped into as I was passing ... I saw for the first time a helix pedal... flip me it’s gianormous! It’s bigger than some bass amps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 minute ago, LukeFRC said: Dawson’s have a massive new shop in Leeds which I popped into as I was passing ... I saw for the first time a helix pedal... flip me it’s gianormous! It’s bigger than some bass amps I was amazed at the size of it, good job I wasn’t piloting a Harrier at the time, I’d have attempted a landing on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 19 minutes ago, jrixn1 said: I use an MS-60B which has digital presets. I can’t find an MS-60B online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrixn1 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 https://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/product/13050109530632--zoom-ms-60b-bass-multi-stomp https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/Zoom-Multi-Stomp-MS-60B-/art-BAS0006941-000 https://www.thomann.de/gb/zoom_multi_stomp_ms_60b.htm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrixn1 Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The XR12 looks really interesting. Same footprint as a Pedaltrain Nano! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, jrixn1 said: https://www.guitarguitar.co.uk/product/13050109530632--zoom-ms-60b-bass-multi-stomp https://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/Zoom-Multi-Stomp-MS-60B-/art-BAS0006941-000 https://www.thomann.de/gb/zoom_multi_stomp_ms_60b.htm Cheers dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFitzgerald Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 One of my bands uses a Behringer X18. we decided to get IEMs too and lose the backline. FOH is a pair of Bose L1s, each of which has a pair of B1 subs. Last gig, we decided to do without backline and go totally IEMs. I did some homework before the gig and, using X Air Edit, on a laptop, I set up the IEMs. I paired up aux 1-2 and aux 3-4 to give two stereo mixes as we have two transmitters and six receivers. Mix one is quite balance between vox and instruments. Mix two is more vocal heavy. The individual can choose his mix on his belt pack. mix one or mix two. As the X18 has 6 aux outs, we can add another stereo monitor mix. It went as well as I'd hoped, in fact some of us came away from the gig thinking, "I'm not as good a singer as I thought I was". How did I benefit as a bass player ? Everyone could hear me better, everywhere on stage because my backline wasn't being drowned out by a guitarist, I was in their ears, so was everyone. I now don't know if I'll ever use my Markbass setup again. Certainly not with this band. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intime-nick Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) I go direct from wireless into an XR18 (with IEMs & no backline) & have done so for the past 8-9 months at quite a few gigs. I split my input into two channels (one for FOH, one for IEMs), insert the stereo Sansamp guitar effect Into the input channel and run a cab sim on the IEM side and none on the FOH) and it works for me with pretty much zero setup time (as it’s all racked). I also use the inbuilt parametric EQ, compressor and noise gate on the separate channels - it basically replaces the Helix LT I was using as a glorified non-changing pedalboard and now I have no cables, no buttons to press and it sounds the same at every gig and I couldn’t be happier The XR12/16/18 as a bass preamp is a great idea imho. I realise this doesn’t have much to do with FRFR (apart from possibly using the PA) but I did use a Yamaha DBR15 as a stage monitor for a while using a similar setup (via an aux channel on the XR18) - it was only for the rest of the band to hear and now I just send the bass via their own monitors and the drummer has it via his IEMs and his P&D drum throne. Edited January 12, 2019 by intime-nick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, intime-nick said: The XR12/16/18 as a bass preamp is a great idea imho. Looking at the feature and effects it actually looks more appealing than a helix for me https://behringerwiki.musictribe.com/index.php?title=10._Effect_Descriptions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Blank Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, intime-nick said: I go direct from wireless into an XR18 (with IEMs & no backline) & have done so for the past 8-9 months at quite a few gigs. I split my input into two channels (one for FOH, one for IEMs), insert the stereo Sansamp guitar effect Into the input channel and run a cab sim on the IEM side and none on the FOH) and it works for me with pretty much zero setup time (as it’s all racked). I also use the inbuilt parametric EQ, compressor and noise gate on the separate channels - it basically replaces the Helix LT I was using as a glorified non-changing pedalboard and now I have no cables, no buttons to press and it sounds the same at every gig and I couldn’t be happier The XR12/16/18 as a bass preamp is a great idea imho. I realise this doesn’t have much to do with FRFR (apart from possibly using the PA) but I did use a Yamaha DBR15 as a stage monitor for a while using a similar setup (via an aux channel on the XR18) - it was only for the rest of the band to hear and now I just send the bass via their own monitors and the drummer has it via his IEMs and his P&D drum throne. This is really helpful interesting info thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFitzgerald Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 just to add to the above, there are many great channel setups that you can download from other users, if you use X Air Edit. I use one of the fx processors on the X18 to give me a bit of delay for natural chorusing on my fretless. In stereo, on the in ears, you can image how lush it sounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemmywinks Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 4 hours ago, JohnFitzgerald said: just to add to the above, there are many great channel setups that you can download from other users, if you use X Air Edit. I use one of the fx processors on the X18 to give me a bit of delay for natural chorusing on my fretless. In stereo, on the in ears, you can image how lush it sounds. Wait a minute, so I could say get an XR12, download different channel profiles to pick which one I liked and add a bit of compression etc? Can you switch between different patches on the fly, say if I needed a bit of envelope filter for a certain song could I just patch it in on the tablet and be good to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 8 hours ago, lemmywinks said: Wait a minute, so I could say get an XR12, download different channel profiles to pick which one I liked and add a bit of compression etc? Can you switch between different patches on the fly, say if I needed a bit of envelope filter for a certain song could I just patch it in on the tablet and be good to go? Not really no - the XR channel settings would be for your core tone... it would be a bit clunky otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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