SpondonBassed Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Bluewine said: Guys, ever play with a drummer who doesn't get this? I think it's just as important that other members of a band understand this bond/relationship... Thankfully no. I have however had a keyboardy guitarist who felt that the relationship between bass/guitar was a sub/dom scenario! That didn't last long I can assure you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bluewine said: Wouldn't surprise me, I've been misunderstanding a lot of stuff lately. I think I went to someone's house today for Thanksgiving because I thought I was invited. Now, I'm not sure if I was really invited. Great food. Blue But I think you thought to thank them for the free dinner anyway - right? Heeheehee. Don't mind me; I am known to play the part of Scrooge (the Grinch perhaps?) during the run-up to Christmas. I don't have children of my own. The hyperbole on the weeks leading up to the event just leaves me frigid. At least you've got over the 'big' day in your culture. We now have to do your Black Friday consumer fest whilst still trying to hang on to the Dickensian Christmas notion. We're bonkers. Edited November 24, 2017 by SpondonBassed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I like Discreet's list. Virtually covers it all I'd just like a drummer that can hold a steady beat and doesn't completely rely on me holding the timing together. A drummer that is confident enough to hold his own and allow me some freedom to ad-lib without worrying too much about him losing the beat or his timing. I've come across the occasional drummer that meets Discreet's list and my own demands but few and far between. Its great when you do as it opens up so many avenues of playing as a rhythm section. Think the drummer in new band i've just joined might fit the bill on most counts altho he doesn't drive but singer has sorted the transport thing out so that's good. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leschirons Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 For me, anyone that supplies what the song requires. Current drummer is a lovely guy, good friend, brilliant sense of humour (for a frog) and reliable. He's not the best drummer I've played with by far but, he's flexible. All these lists add up to the same thing. Anyone I enjoy playing, and being with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbass Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 11 hours ago, lowdown said: Like Andy, I ended up doing shows for a living. We were both in the same circles really. My wife was dancing on a summer show at (Butlins) Skegness in 1988 (Andy was in the pit band), If I remember correctly, Andy was working for Chris Hocking (MD) and he was not so well then. Thanks for that..nice but sad trip down memory lane..anyway reckon we ought to get back to the thread...ah yes now drummers.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbass Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, discreet said: I've had that, too. My conclusion is that the smaller the kit, the better they play. In fact I think there is something strangely satisfying about a drummer sitting there with a very sparse kit...he's got nowhere to hide and with a simple set up they have to deliver. Having said that I once played with a guy who had a tidy small kit but who played 4 on the floor to every song on the list....excruciating! He didn't get the gig... Edited November 24, 2017 by oldbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicbassman Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 I remember asking a drummer at an audition whether he could read. He blushed a bit and said he could, but not very well even now, he'd had to have extra lessons at school....................................... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonteee Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 3 hours ago, musicbassman said: I remember asking a drummer at an audition whether he could read. He blushed a bit and said he could, but not very well even now, he'd had to have extra lessons at school....................................... Awww. That must have been both funny and embarrassing all at the same time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassjim Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Hard to add to some of the positive things everyone has already mentioned so for my 2p worth...... What our last drummer did wrong was a mixture of the following; sometimes all of these things at the same time. Bad timing, not learning the material, not knowing the material, lack of dynamics, no real idea of tempos, insisting large kit goes anywhere and everywhere regardless of lack of room, wrong feel, not practicing at home, using band as a cash cow, argumentative and/or awkward if any of the mentioned reasons brought up in conversation, unable to communicate on a musical level, musically inexperienced, musically immature. We got dragged down to his level till we had enough. The deps we have used since, and what looks like our next permanent drummer display the exact opposite of the above. Couple that with some of the good points listed by others here and that for me is what makes a good drummer regardless of the style of music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 7 hours ago, musicbassman said: he'd had to have extra lessons at school....................................... Extra lessons, lol hilarious. I can't stop laughing.? Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeper Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 Tuning up to gigs is a good start! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 On 11/23/2017 at 14:49, discreet said: I've had that, too. My conclusion is that the smaller the kit, the better they play. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 It's been said before, the guy that shows up with the shiny new huge elaborate kit and can't play. Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 37 minutes ago, Bluewine said: It's been said before, the guy that shows up with the shiny new huge elaborate kit and can't play. Blue I once auditioned for a band where the drummer had a shiny new huge elaborate kit and a shiny new huge electric fan pointed at him. He couldn't play either but he sweated buckets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tauzero Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Currently playing with two different drummers in two different bands. As far as personality, transport, technicalities of setting up kits, etc go, both fit discreet's list. Both are good drummers - one is a bit more disciplined than the other, both keep time well. The only issue I have with one of them (the less disciplined one) is that he doesn't necessarily count in at the same tempo as he'll start playing. I think I need to chat with him about it (that's something missing from discreet's list - willing to accept properly directed criticism and acknowledge mistakes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmccombe7 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 My last drummer used a metronome style unit that either beeped or a small flashing led to get his initial timing right for a song. He would set it against the original recording and note down tempo. When it came to rehearsals he would check his notes and set the pedal to get tempo right. Only used it at initial rehearsals and it certainly stopped others complaining that he was too slow or too fast for a particular song. He was extremely disciplined drummer too with many years experience. He was playing in 4 different bands from Rock covers, Blues covers, Function wedding band and funk / blues style rock covers with me so quite a varied repertoire. And he was a genuine nice guy with his own transport. Think i've just described the perfect drummer Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 9 hours ago, skankdelvar said: I once auditioned for a band where the drummer had a shiny new huge elaborate kit and a shiny new huge electric fan pointed at him. He couldn't play either but he sweated buckets. I'm in awe of the image you've provoked in my mind. All those shiny new huge buckets of drumber extract. Yuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, dmccombe7 said: My last drummer used a metronome style unit that either beeped or a small flashing led to get his initial timing right for a song. He would set it against the original recording and note down tempo. When it came to rehearsals he would check his notes and set the pedal to get tempo right. Only used it at initial rehearsals and it certainly stopped others complaining that he was too slow or too fast for a particular song. He was extremely disciplined drummer too with many years experience. He was playing in 4 different bands from Rock covers, Blues covers, Function wedding band and funk / blues style rock covers with me so quite a varied repertoire. And he was a genuine nice guy with his own transport. Think i've just described the perfect drummer Dave I like that. If the whole band are starting with the right number of BPM at the first practice it is a good foundation for later when there is no artificial gauge for tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jaywalker Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) . Edited November 28, 2017 by The Jaywalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubis Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 A mute button? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Dare Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Restraint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyquipment Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Ringo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjan3 Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 In a word, time. A good drummer has excellent time and feel/dynamics. I could care less for busy fills and ear splitting levels. Feel is hard to describe but it all starts with time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Sjan3 said: In a word, time. A good drummer has excellent time and feel/dynamics. I could care less for busy fills and ear splitting levels. Feel is hard to describe but it all starts with time. Consistency, you can't have 2 good gigs out of 4. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK Jale Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 (edited) On 11/23/2017 at 13:09, mentalextra said: What makes a good drummer? Swing. Edited November 27, 2017 by KK Jale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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