Austin7 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 10 minutes ago, Bluewine said: I never gave any thought to John's singing. I was listening to "The Beatles" It was all Fab. Blue I considered all four to be equals. However, John's singing did stand out to me. His voice had a unique rawness to it. Now that I look back at it, though, I have to take the minority position of viewing George as my favorite ex-Beatle, considering that his solo albums (especially "All Things Must Pass and "Living in the Material World") were my favorites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, chris_b said: Neal Peart, Buddy Rich and Jon Bonham are all great drummers, they brought something to the table but they didn't change the world of drumming. Ringo did and for that he needs recognition. There might be "better" drummers but Earl Palmer and Ringo Starr are the two most influential drummers in the last 70 years. For me Dino from The Rascals (3 Italian & 1 Irish guy) was the first guy to take the drums to the next level for pop music. Very progressive for 1966. Blue Edited November 25, 2017 by Bluewine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Put it this way, the Beatles could have had almost any drummer they wanted, they wanted Ringo. When he walked out they begged him to come back. The feel of the songs would have been different with any other musician in there, not just Ringo. You want to hear a live band absolutely nailing it? Go and see the latest Beatles film. No click tracks, no monitors, poor PA systems....but perfect harmonies and a super tight band. Genius. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, mikel said: Genius. One of the few things being born in 1953 was good for. Being 10 years old in 63 was perfect timing. Before The Beatles most of my time was spent trying to figure out how to get more candy. Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Bluewine said: One of the few things being born in 1953 was good for. Being 10 years old in 63 was perfect timing. Before The Beatles most of my time was spent trying to figure out how to get more candy. Blue Yep, I was born in 52 and for a few years the world revolved around Britain, because of the Beatles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumnote Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, EssentialTension said: Thanks for posting, perfect reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin7 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, mikel said: Yep, I was born in 52 and for a few years the world revolved around Britain, because of the Beatles. I'd say it was more than a few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just watching a Genesis programme on the yesterday chanel, Phil Collins says he pinched Ringo's drum pattern and fills for the song Shame That's All. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 8 minutes ago, stingrayPete1977 said: Just watching a Genesis programme on the yesterday chanel, Phil Collins says he pinched Ringo's drum pattern and fills for the song Shame That's All. Incidentally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
interpol52 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 7 hours ago, chris_b said: I was a Stones fan but still had all the Beatles albums, singles and EP's. As a musician you had to, they were the source of most new ideas at the time. The Beatles started as a live Rock and Roll act, went through being a backing band and came out the other end as the biggest original band in the world. No one's ever likely to like all their output (even they didn't), as it stretches from I Saw Her Standing There to I Am The Walrus, through Yellow Submarine (!), but they constantly changed what was possible with every new song and record they put out. Lennon and McCartney were musical giants. Very few bands have survived to the first album with two such original talents on board. They had to fight each other for their space in the band and certainly weren't interested in giving George Harrison a fair crack. He got his token song on each album and as he said he was writing songs but not bringing them to the band. He did manage to write one of their most famous songs. As Frank Sinatra said, "Something is the best song Lennon and McCartney ever wrote!" Forget the inaccuracy, that's some complement. While Lennon and McCartney were busy re writing the rule book for popular music Ringo was redefining what was possible for a drummer to play. Earl Palmer changed the drum world in 1949 by starting the 2 and 4 snare drum pattern. Now you can't imagine music without that simple beat, but 2 and 4 didn't cut it in so many of the Beatles songs that Ringo had to come up with something that did and in so doing opened the door to creative drum patterns that have spread into every drummers repertoire. Neal Peart, Buddy Rich and Jon Bonham are all great drummers, they brought something to the table but they didn't change the world of drumming. Ringo did and for that he needs recognition. There might be "better" drummers but Earl Palmer and Ringo Starr are the two most influential drummers in the last 70 years. Agreed, from beginning to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, bumnote said: Thanks for posting, perfect reply Nice tribute, I guess. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlebass Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Ahh, Ringo's drumming. Love it or hate it, it was perfect for The Beatles, it was an inherent part OF The Beatles. In fact they all were really - one of those wonderful examples of where the whole is so much better than the sum of the parts. EssentialTension's above video post says it all really, by people who actually know a thing or two about the subject, but I would just add the following video - 'serve the song, not your ego'. Ringo did that in spades! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roceci Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 Does every Beatles thread turn into a Ringo thing lol Although I do admit I played my part. Was genuinely just wanting to put my noob Beatles thoughts out to a knowing bunch of chaps. I've learned a lot & glad it's brought out a lot of opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EssentialTension Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 9 hours ago, roceci said: Does every Beatles thread turn into a Ringo thing lol ... Sometimes it's a McCartney thing, but if not Macca then it's Ringo usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, EssentialTension said: Sometimes it's a McCartney thing, but if not Macca then it's Ringo usually. But y'know, if only The Beatles had paid more attention to their critics. They might have ended up more than a minor footnote in history. Edited November 26, 2017 by wateroftyne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 (edited) 11 hours ago, roceci said: Does every Beatles thread turn into a Ringo thing lol You said, " Their entire catalogue is ruined by sh*te drumming. "It wouldn't have been the Beatles without Ringo" blah blah blah...if Ringo had raised his game, they'd have still had him & they'd have sounded better. " I understand that you don't have to like him, but you don't seem to know or understand what he did and why he wasn't "sh*te" at any level. Ringo's qualities as a drummer were acknowledged before he even joined the Beatles. They picked him because he was regarded as the best drummer in Liverpool. I don't know about the others but I'm just trying to help your musical education. Edited November 26, 2017 by chris_b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yank Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Less Beatles, less Beatles, less Beatles.................MORE DINO DANELLI !!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Just now, Yank said: Less Beatles, less Beatles, less Beatles.................MORE DINO DANELLI !!!!!!!!!!! You're looking for the 'START NEW TOPIC' button :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 14 minutes ago, Yank said: Less Beatles, less Beatles, less Beatles.................MORE DINO DANELLI !!!!!!!!!!! Didn't Dino Danelli become the fake Paul after McCartney's death? It would explain why the drumming is so good on the first McCartney solo album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 18 minutes ago, EssentialTension said: Didn't Dino Danelli become the fake Paul after McCartney's death? It would explain why the drumming is so good on the first McCartney solo album. Thanks for reminding me. It's years since I heard that conspiracy theory. You might just have single handedly given this thread its second wind. I hope your satisfied with yourself for that young man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 20 hours ago, ivansc said: Charlie Watts was indeed playing a lot of hihat on Stones songs even back in 1964... Both Brian Bennett and Tony Meehan on the ride with the Shadows...Same with Brian Poole and the Tremeloes.... OK it looks like the turning point was around 1964 or 5. Interesting. Clem Cattini was there as well. Actually, he often gets overlooked in the Rock world. Played on over a hundred singles/forty three number ones?. One of the few Drummers at the time who could easily switch between straight 8's & swing 8's. (also one of the early Hi Hat adopters as well). He was a regular at Abbey Road and EMI before the Beatles were making a big name for themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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