The Rap Thread (new title for an old thread).

[MacDaddy]

As a metaller at the the time, I quite liked the earlier stuff,Like Tone Loc, and Run DMC, because they tended to rap over rock loops/tracks. This before an established career path leading to clothes lines and acting roles. 

What i've never understood about the development of 'Gangsta' rap is the juxtaposition of violent/sweary lyrics, over laid back, mellow music. Public Enemy had brutal lyrics with backing music to match, which made more sense to me. But it's not my scene, so maybe I'm not supposed to understand it.

 

[Cuzzie]

3 minutes ago, MacDaddy said:

As a metaller at the the time, I quite liked the earlier stuff,Like Tone Loc, and Run DMC, because they tended to rap over rock loops/tracks. This before an established career path leading to clothes lines and acting roles. 

What i've never understood about the development of 'Gangsta' rap is the juxtaposition of violent/sweary lyrics, over laid back, mellow music. Public Enemy had brutal lyrics with backing music to match, which made more sense to me. But it's not my scene, so maybe I'm not supposed to understand it.

 

 

I love it, and it doesn’t always work, it’s just people trying stuff, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt!

[miles'tone]

3 minutes ago, MacDaddy said:

 

What i've never understood about the development of 'Gangsta' rap is the juxtaposition of violent/sweary lyrics, over laid back, mellow music. Public Enemy had brutal lyrics with backing music to match, which made more sense to me. But it's not my scene, so maybe I'm not supposed to understand it.

It's a song writing technique as old as the hills - sing a sad song happy and a happy song sad. 

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[sammybee]

For the non-believers... Son Of Yvonne

[Mykesbass]

18 minutes ago, sammybee said:

For the non-believers... Son Of Yvonne

Very nice. Checked out the original track that has been sampled, and in my mind this builds and improves on it.

[sammybee]

1 hour ago, Mykesbass said:

Very nice. Checked out the original track that has been sampled, and in my mind this builds and improves on it.

There is also a 'Tiny Desk' concert on the tube featuring this which is worth at least one watch  - with a full live band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CxvB0d5VF0

Edited February 20, 2020 by sammybee
adding link

[gareth]

Let’s be honest 

Rap is crap

Edited February 21, 2020 by gareth

[Cuzzie]

24 minutes ago, gareth said:

Let’s be honest 

Rap us crap

Is that a rubbish rhyme dissing American rap, or is it an embarrassingly poor typo in the middle of a diss, which makes the diss-pissssss poor, like a fool tripping on his laces walking out the door? I never heard anything like that before(!), but the lack of originality means my jaw don’t drop to the floor, so are you sure you don’t need to spell check yourself before you wreck yourself, coz mistakes in your posts are bad for your health.

Edited February 20, 2020 by Cuzzie

[linear]

3 minutes ago, Cuzzie said:

Is that a rubbish rhyme dissing American rap, or is it an embarrassingly poor typo in the middle of a diss, which makes the diss-pissssss poor, like a fool tripping on his laces walking out the door? I never heard anything like that before(!), but the lack of originality means my jaw don’t drop to the floor, so are you sure you don’t need to spell check yourself before you wreck yourself, coz mistakes in your posts are bad for your health.

Word.

[gareth]

7 hours ago, Cuzzie said:

Is that a rubbish rhyme dissing American rap, or is it an embarrassingly poor typo in the middle of a diss, which makes the diss-pissssss poor, like a fool tripping on his laces walking out the door? I never heard anything like that before(!), but the lack of originality means my jaw don’t drop to the floor, so are you sure you don’t need to spell check yourself before you wreck yourself, coz mistakes in your posts are bad for your health.

It’s da trooth innit 

Edited February 21, 2020 by gareth

[Barking Spiders]

I don't care for most rap of the last 20 years simply because  it was done so much better in the 80s and 90s. Maybe I'm a hip hop snob but nowt I've heard by acts that have emerged since 2000 that can hold a candle to  not just the big name acts like The Beastie Boys,  NWA, Ice Cube , Wu Tangs, Public Enemy etc but also to underrated ones like EPMD,  Naughty by Nature and Main Source. 

Not so keen on the Shadow track here but Entroducing and The Private Press are feckin excellent. Just in case non hip hop fans think rap is just about some MC rapping and turntablism check out two hip hpop bands that use real instruments e.g. The Roots (US) and The Herbaliser (UK)

Anyway I'll leave you with a track from a cracker of an album from the golden age of hip hop

 

Edited February 21, 2020 by Barking Spiders

[Newfoundfreedom]

5 minutes ago, Barking Spiders said:

W

That would make it "wrap".

That's something different entirely. 

[Cuzzie]

58 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

That would make it "wrap".

That's something different entirely. 

That’s Jonathon Ross hip hop

[Cuzzie]

1 hour ago, Barking Spiders said:

I don't care for most rap of the last 20 years simply because  it was done so much better in the 80s and 90s. Maybe I'm a hip hop snob but nowt I've heard by acts that have emerged since 2000 that can hold a candle to  not just the big name acts like The Beastie Boys,  NWA, Ice Cube , Wu Tangs, Public Enemy etc but also to underrated ones like EPMD,  Naughty by Nature and Main Source. 

Not so keen on the Shadow track here but Entroducing and The Private Press are feckin excellent. Just in case non hip hop fans think rap is just about some MC rapping and turntablism check out two hip hpop bands that use real instruments e.g. The Roots (US) and The Herbaliser (UK)

Anyway I'll leave you with a track from a cracker of an album from the golden age of hip hop

 

Great track that.

The list of underplayed goes on, Bragadocious rappers like Big L, Leaders of the New School where Busta Rhymes came out from, gritty Gated snares of Mobb Deep, Flows from Del tha funky homosapien, or Digable planets on a different vibe, Boogie Monsters were great on a laid back tip.

You have guys that sit in the pocket like Gangstarr and Common who have unbelievable voices.

Lets not forget our very own Roots Manuva

There is massive variety out there, but you are correct, mainly from the golden era

[Cuzzie]

Have to Mention EPMD again, with Eric Sermon, Redman coming out that crew, Keith Murray

Its taking me back.

 

[MacDaddy]

 

[oldslapper]

I like some hip hop. Usually the backing track has groove and the rhythm of the “rap” itself, particularly when it’s  slightly behind the beat. 
I’ve often thought about writing and recording something myself. But I’d want to do something relatable to my demographic. But would that be cultural appropriation?

But then again, who wants to hear some bloke in his 50’s spitting about prostate rectal examinations, losing his keys, forgetting why he entered a room and reoccurring back problems? 

“Make sure that finger is well gelled doc, thought I left my keys by the kitchen clock, what the foook did I come in here for? 
 

See? 
 

[Frank Blank]

4 minutes ago, oldslapper said:

“Make sure that finger is well gelled doc, thought I left my keys by the kitchen clock, what the foook did I come in here for? 

See? 

I, for one, would pay for that.

[upside downer]

Not that he likes being defined as a certain genre but this chap's pretty good.

[Cuzzie]

35 minutes ago, oldslapper said:

I like some hip hop. Usually the backing track has groove and the rhythm of the “rap” itself, particularly when it’s  slightly behind the beat. 
I’ve often thought about writing and recording something myself. But I’d want to do something relatable to my demographic. But would that be cultural appropriation?

But then again, who wants to hear some bloke in his 50’s spitting about prostate rectal examinations, losing his keys, forgetting why he entered a room and reoccurring back problems? 

“Make sure that finger is well gelled doc, thought I left my keys by the kitchen clock, what the foook did I come in here for? 
 

See? 
 

It has potential for sure

Christmas number one.

Thumbs as well as a finger up from me

[Mykesbass]

33 minutes ago, oldslapper said:

I like some hip hop. Usually the backing track has groove and the rhythm of the “rap” itself, particularly when it’s  slightly behind the beat. 
I’ve often thought about writing and recording something myself. But I’d want to do something relatable to my demographic. But would that be cultural appropriation?

But then again, who wants to hear some bloke in his 50’s spitting about prostate rectal examinations, losing his keys, forgetting why he entered a room and reoccurring back problems? 

“Make sure that finger is well gelled doc, thought I left my keys by the kitchen clock, what the foook did I come in here for? 
 

See? 
 

Must admit it is mainly the grooves and clever use of some amazing rsamples that is what I like most, however, sometimes the rap itself can transform a song - Empire State of Mind being a good example; when I hear the Alicia Keys solo version I'm always anticipating the different texture as it were of the rap.

Cultural appropriation - whole new thread (and I think it would get locked very quickly), but I do think the term should be cultural misappropriation.

 

 

 

 

 

[Reggaebass]

Not forgetting the classic, with a great bassline 

 

[oldslapper]

51 minutes ago, Frank Blank said:

I, for one, would pay for that.

To be fair Frank, your GP will do it for free. 

[oldslapper]

22 minutes ago, Cuzzie said:

It has potential for sure

Christmas number one.

Thumbs as well as a finger up from me

I’ve asked the doctor to keep it to just the finger for now. 

[oldslapper]

22 minutes ago, Mykesbass said:

Cultural appropriation - whole new thread (and I think it would get locked very quickly), but I do think the term should be cultural misappropriation.

Yes you are right, it is misappropriation. Thanks.

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