Hellzero Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Thanks to this thread I'm reading again, some 30 years later, Théorie de la musique by Adolphe DANHAUSER, and I'm enjoying it a lot, certainly more than 30 years ago. I'm also doing this to make sure that I didn't write any crap. I also now understand why I'm a fretless player rather than a fretted one : it's called the equal temperament. In fact, thanks to you all here, I noticed that I need to hear the natural harmonic note (as the third is always out of tune in the equal temperament), so I'm naturally correcting it on the fretless, and especially on chords I could play. This is again also why it took me years to appreciate the piano or even to some extent the guitar even if I've always been a great fan of Wes Montgomery, and now Radu Lupu that I had the opportunity to hear twice (solo and with orchestra) or Hiromi and of course the late Esbjörn Svensson and Oscar Peterson... Thank you guys, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted January 15, 2018 Author Share Posted January 15, 2018 YW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowdown Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 42 minutes ago, Hellzero said: Wes Montgomery, Radu Lupu, Hiromi, Esbjörn Svensson and Oscar Peterson... It doesn't get any better than that lot. Terrific musicians !! But, you would have trouble selling their recordings at a UK Boot sale. Not sure is you have seen this rare footage. Wes sitting in with an (excellent) Dutch trio back in the mid 60's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowla Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 9 hours ago, Hellzero said: So we have to show our degrees ? And next step will be IQ, I guess. Wow, coming from a philosopher, that's the most patronising answer ever, but as you have the two necessary degrees, may I ask you something that will involve the use the both of them ? Can you prove and demonstrate us using mathematics and philosophy that "1 + 1 = 2" ? In computers, 1 + 1 = 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 ... or rather 102 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prowla Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 52 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: ... or rather 102 So, you have to establish the context of the question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 The context is quite clear, I never mentioned digital (numeric on our side of the sea) counting... Mathematics and philosophy as it's written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 14 hours ago, lowdown said: It doesn't get any better than that lot. Terrific musicians !! But, you would have trouble selling their recordings at a UK Boot sale. Not sure is you have seen this rare footage. Wes sitting in with an (excellent) Dutch trio back in the mid 60's. Thanks a lot. I never saw it before. I guess you've heard the live in Europe of 1965, originally only 5 titles recorded by the RTB in one of their Brussels studio (Flagey I think) in very high quality ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) It doesn't really matter imo, if you were following notation it tells you exactly what notes to play so there's no need to define it as BigRedX has hinted at, if it's just a chord chart I see no harm in playing anywhere between nothing at all to all the available notes in the given chord. Edited January 16, 2018 by stingrayPete1977 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 17 hours ago, bassace said: 147 replies so far. Come on guys, I’m sure we can get this pointless discussion up to 150 by the end of the day. It might appear to be pointless if you think you have a comprehensive knowledge of music theory, but for the rest of us, asking "stupid" questions helps us to expand our base of information, and because we've endlessly asked "why", we are far more likely to retain this information in the future, than if we has simply learnt it by rote from a book or lesson. I think it is also good for those who do claim to have all the answers to question some of their musical theory beliefs. AFAICS there still doesn't appear to be a definitive answer to the question of whether 2 notes alone are enough to be called a chord, the answer seeming to depend on which expert text you choose to reference. IME two notes are plenty - either any extra missing notes from the chord will be obvious from the musical context, or it won't matter at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seashell Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 One band I play with does a cover of Days by the Kinks, and I always end it with a two note root-third chord. I'm so proud of myself. My one and only chord!! I've been playing 7 years now and I'm really getting flashy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, seashell said: One band I play with does a cover of Days by the Kinks, and I always end it with a two note root-third chord. I'm so proud of myself. My one and only chord!! I've been playing 7 years now and I'm really getting flashy Thanks. I knew I wasn't the only one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 on one of our own songs I finish it by playing all four strings open, wonder what chord that is? Em11? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted January 16, 2018 Author Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, PaulWarning said: on one of our own songs I finish it by playing all four strings open, wonder what chord that is? Em11? Funny that. I used to wonder if that was recognised as a chord myself. I also used to wonder if I could find a previously unheard of chord by chucking a few choir boys off of varying heights of step ladder simultaneously but I haven't been able to test that one yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 50 minutes ago, PaulWarning said: on one of our own songs I finish it by playing all four strings open, wonder what chord that is? Em11? It is indeed https://www.scales-chords.com/findnotes_en.php?n1=E&n2=&n3=&n4=A&n5=D&n6=G You can see how a single chord even with three notes doesn't define the chord as clearly as some people here would have you believe, just that one example of eadg throws up multiple possibilities, of course if it was written down then you'd have the key signature and also no need to define anything because the notation would tell you the key and which notes to play, even a two note chord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 52 minutes ago, stingrayPete1977 said: It is indeed https://www.scales-chords.com/findnotes_en.php?n1=E&n2=&n3=&n4=A&n5=D&n6=G You can see how a single chord even with three notes doesn't define the chord as clearly as some people here would have you believe, just that one example of eadg throws up multiple possibilities, of course if it was written down then you'd have the key signature and also no need to define anything because the notation would tell you the key and which notes to play, even a two note chord. That utility is great but incomplete because it doesn't seem to recognise quartal harmony. It assumes, along with 99.9% of musicians, that chords are based on stacked thirds (which is a reasonable assumption to make 99.9% of the time - but not 100% of the time!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, PaulWarning said: on one of our own songs I finish it by playing all four strings open, wonder what chord that is? Em11? Vaguely similar to the "So What Chord": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_What_chord Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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