cattytown Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Talking bridges - I know the schaller is available as an aftermarket bridge, but what bases have a non-TOM bridge? The Hagstrom as a one piece, but if one wanted an 8-string bass with one piece bridge that allowed independent intonation adjustment, just how narrow would the choices be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, cattytown said: Talking bridges - I know the schaller is available as an aftermarket bridge, but what bases have a non-TOM bridge? The Hagstrom as a one piece, but if one wanted an 8-string bass with one piece bridge that allowed independent intonation adjustment, just how narrow would the choices be? Schaller 471. That's it. As far as I'm aware no production bass uses it. They all use the same generic 8 saddle that the Dean, Spector, Schecter all use. Unless you go custom, you won't see it on anything. Don't bother with the Hagstrom. It's a 4 saddle bridge and is total crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 That schaller isn’t cheap either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wolverinebass Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 9 hours ago, AndyTravis said: That schaller isn’t cheap either... Yeah, it's not cheap. That's because if you exclude the Warwick bridge which can be sunk into the body, it's easily the best as you can adjust the height of all 8 strings individually. I don't think the Warwick allows that. Every manufacturer uses the same non descript bridge just for cost rather than functionality. The Schaller is a really great bit of kit. Happy to post a few photos of mine if you're interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 10 hours ago, cattytown said: Talking bridges - I know the schaller is available as an aftermarket bridge, but what bases have a non-TOM bridge? The Hagstrom as a one piece, but if one wanted an 8-string bass with one piece bridge that allowed independent intonation adjustment, just how narrow would the choices be? Tune Japan also make a one-piece 8-string bridge. I fact I'm surprised that they haven't been mentioned more in this thread. If I was going to buy another 8-string bass I wouldn't make any decision before trying a Tune. However if you think the Schaller bridge is expensive you shouldn't do a currency conversion on the Tune one! That means AFAICS there are only 4 different 8-string bridges with individual intonation adjustment for each string currently available. What is the problem with the T-O-M style 8-string bridge? The generic one fitted to the Dean, Schecter, Spector etc. basses is a perfectly functional unit. It's just the horrible tailpiece that makes it look so ugly IMO. 15 minutes ago, Wolverinebass said: Yeah, it's not cheap. That's because if you exclude the Warwick bridge which can be sunk into the body, it's easily the best as you can adjust the height of all 8 strings individually. I don't think the Warwick allows that. Every manufacturer uses the same non descript bridge just for cost rather than functionality. The Schaller is a really great bit of kit. As the Warwick bridge is essentially for Warwick basses only, there shouldn't need to be any reason to adjust the height of the saddles individually since the radius of the bridge and fingerboard should be matched. The Schaller one appears only to be sold as an after-market part there is no way of knowing what the fingerboard radius on the bass is going to be so the saddles have to be individually height adjustable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cattytown Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Wolverinebass said: Schaller 471. That's it. As far as I'm aware no production bass uses it. Don't bother with the Hagstrom. It's a 4 saddle bridge and is total crap. Thanks - that was the conclusion I was coming to :-( While the Hagstrom looks cool, I had pretty much discounted it as being a tad behind. P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cattytown Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 54 minutes ago, BigRedX said: Tune Japan also make a one-piece 8-string bridge. I fact I'm surprised that they haven't been mentioned more in this thread. If I was going to buy another 8-string bass I wouldn't make any decision before trying a Tune. able. What is the problem with the T-O-M style 8-string bridge? The generic one fitted to the Dean, Schecter, Spector etc. basses is a perfectly functional unit. It's just the horrible tailpiece that makes it look so ugly IMO. That's the problem - it may be perfectly functional, it's just ugly. Tune have been mentioned, it's just difficult to work out how viable it is to buy one. I do quite like http://usdweb.sakura.ne.jp/custom.order.gallery.top/framepage.tune.phoenix.custom.order.gallery.html page 16, No.TP-000467... P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 minute ago, cattytown said: That's the problem - it may be perfectly functional, it's just ugly. But where do you get one from as an aftermarket device? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cattytown Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: But where do you get one from as an aftermarket device? Schaller do direct mail order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: But where do you get one from as an aftermarket device? Warmoth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 The easiest way to buy a Tune would be if you were friends with a Japanese musician who could act as an intermediary for you. Unfortunately a lot of Japanese companies aren't geared up for selling outside of Japan and will generally ignore you as a foreigner because it is just to difficult and/or embarrassing. Having said that Tune basses do show up in Ishibashi's U-Box (their second hand selection) and they are pretty good at dealing with potential buyers from outside Japan. The only thing you need to watch with Ishibashi, is because of the time difference between Japan and the UK, instruments can often be sold locally in the time between you seeing it on the website and their customer services dealing with your email enquirery. There was a very nice looking (and relatively inexpensive) 10-string Tune bass that showed up a few years ago on Ishabashi. Unfortunately at the time I didn't have the cash spare to buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRedX Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wolverinebass said: Warmoth. Is that for the Schaller bridge? I would have thought it would be cheaper to buy direct form Schaller, or through one of their UK dealers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cattytown Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 38 minutes ago, BigRedX said: Is that for the Schaller bridge? I would have thought it would be cheaper to buy direct form Schaller, or through one of their UK dealers. Could be interesting on pricing. The schaller site lists it as €108 - lnock off the discount and add postage and you are looking <>£100. Warmoth list it at $65, but their postage prices are geared around shipping bodies and necks, and are pricey even for that IMO. Cheapest puts it to <> $95 - £70, but you will be hit by the "handling charge" by importers, Duty & VAT so it's going to be close on price... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 On 2/13/2018 at 22:11, Al Krow said: Yes An 8 string or 8 string emulation is about as subtle as a full on dirt pedal. We're not talking about compression or nuances of tone here.. Unfortunately, I can attest to a lot of other musicians not really giving a toss: I took a 12-string Dean Rhapsody to a rehearsal of our originals band once, played it on a couple of songs, and when we had a break, the conversation went exactly as follows: "What did you all think?" "About what?" "The 12-string I was playing? I used it on *song name* and *song name*" "Errr, did you? Oh. It was...OK. It's that black one, yeah?" I didn't persevere. Having said that, I use the Zoom B3's Octave Up preset on a couple of our trio songs these days, and it fills the sound out...it's good enough for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Muzz said: Unfortunately, I can attest to a lot of other musicians not really giving a toss: I took a 12-string Dean Rhapsody to a rehearsal of our originals band once, played it on a couple of songs, and when we had a break, the conversation went exactly as follows: "What did you all think?" "About what?" "The 12-string I was playing? I used it on *song name* and *song name*" "Errr, did you? Oh. It was...OK. It's that black one, yeah?" I didn't persevere. Having said that, I use the Zoom B3's Octave Up preset on a couple of our trio songs these days, and it fills the sound out...it's good enough for me. Are you still with that band? Sounds to me like they weren't paying any attention to what you were doing. Tools. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Nope, all good musicians. Just not that interested in bass. That's my job... To be fair, the 12 string didn't really bring that much to the songs, anyway: that was the real reason I didn't persevere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Happy Christmas 😟 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 That’s a big old beast, where did you dig that up from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Cuzzie said: That’s a big old beast, where did you dig that up from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuzzie Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Maybe we could get 10p from every bass chatter interested and create a fund for you to get one, we may make a pound by the time the day is out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 54 minutes ago, AndyTravis said: That's not bad. Four grand for a bass that won't intonate properly. Hold me back..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Wolverinebass said: That's not bad. Four grand for a bass that won't intonate properly. Hold me back..... Hum. I reckon it’d be pretty good, I haven’t got the £4000 to find out. I work on the principle that my hearing is so bad I don’t worry about intonation, much like buying an ultra HD tv when my eyes aren’t HD ready 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 38 minutes ago, AndyTravis said: Hum. I reckon it’d be pretty good, I haven’t got the £4000 to find out. I work on the principle that my hearing is so bad I don’t worry about intonation, much like buying an ultra HD tv when my eyes aren’t HD ready 😂 You don't need the money to find out. It's obvious. The bridge is a singular saddle. Once you get past the 7th fret it'll be out of tune by miles. For such an expensive instrument it's an epic fail. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Krow Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Cuzzie said: Maybe we could get 10p from every bass chatter interested and create a fund for you to get one, we may make a pound by the time the day is out I get told off by @Osiris for finding 10p's on the street and then looking wide eyed for things to spend them on. So I'd best steer clear of the collection on this one. Soz mate. Besides when I got 'back and sides' done (amber carbon or otherwise) it never came to anything like Euros 4,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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