AndyTravis Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, GazWills said: Original or not, that LPB 60's Precision is calling to me! I like the tort too Yeah that’s what I’m thinking - but then I saw this on instagram so the tort would be gone... Edited January 18, 2018 by AndyTravis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 9 hours ago, drTStingray said: The attached article, though 5 yrs old, gives an interesting insight into Fender and its financial issues - citing competition with its own history as its biggest competitor - people wanting only to buy old ones rather than their new ones!! https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/business/fender-aims-to-stay-plugged-in-amid-changing-music-trends.html?referer=https://www.google.co.uk/ Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cato Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) Nothing on the basses of course but some of these guitars are mouth watering, if the basses are available in a similar range of colours and finishes they could be very nice indeed. Edited January 19, 2018 by Cato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 shes happy with hers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevsy71 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 15 hours ago, AndyTravis said: Yeah that’s what I’m thinking - but then I saw this on instagram so the tort would be gone... I think that's the Standard MIM, because it doesn't appear to have the clay dot markers . My preferred guard colour for a blue bass though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyTravis Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Kevsy71 said: I think that's the Standard MIM, because it doesn't appear to have the clay dot markers . My preferred guard colour for a blue bass though It’s a custom shop from Instagram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul_c2 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Fender stuff has been available in Lake Placid Blue for a while?? Is the fact a US made one is now blue, an exciting thing? Personally for me, making different colours available/non-available isn't a deciding factor in choosing a guitar ( I guess), I'd just look at the range of colours and decide on the one I liked the look of. I guess if it were only available in one, minging, colour (which I guess could happen if there were limited availability and shopping secondhand, or left-handed etc) then I might just decide not to buy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevsy71 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 27 minutes ago, AndyTravis said: It’s a custom shop from Instagram Ah my mistake - I thought it was posted as an Original 60s with another guard option from Fender. Agreed, it really goes beautifully with the LPB! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machines Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 My Dad has a 62 reissue Telecaster. It's aged very nicely in 18 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thodrik Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Much like the 'American Professional' is just a re-brand of the American Standard series and the 'American Elite' is just a re-brand of the 'American deluxe' line, this new 'American Original' is just a re-brand of the 'American Vintage' series. I think the launch of the different lines at different times, while they are still marketing the old lines for sale, has caused a bit of confusion. Not quite the level of confusion of Gibson Les Pauls with their Studio/Classic/Traditional/Standard with matching 'Traditional' or 'High Performance' sub-specs if you want robotic tuners. I think that Fender could have handled the re-launch a bit better. I prefer the old brand names better as well. In terms of the guitars and basses themselves, I think that they all look nice. The prices have gone up, but the prices for everything have gone up. In terms of the lack of 'innovation' criticism, this 'American Original' line is clearly not designed to be innovative. The American Professional series is clearly geared to be their new 'standard' passive electronic bass with a few modern updates in terms of pickups, hardware and frets. The 'American Elite' series is far more innovative in terms of Fender design, in terms of the compound radius and updated hardware and electronics, so it appears to be designed to compete with the more 'boutique' active jazz basses from Sandberg, Sadowsky Metro in the same price bracket. Fender have also recently launched an offset series and the Dimension bass so they do try 'new' stuff from time to time, it is just that most of time their new ideas don't catch on. I speak of this as an owner of Fender Toronado, a attempt by Fender to make a guitar with humbuckers and a Gibson scale length. It is a fine guitar but not as nice a 'proper' Strat or Tele. I was tempted of selling it, but I will keep it just in case Ed Sheeran or someone like that starts using one and their value skyrockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No. 8 Wire Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 (edited) Just on the lack of innovation thing. EVH guitars and amps are made by fender, yes they are not out there in terms of design etc but they are very different from the standard fender fare. http://www.evhgear.com/gear/ Are there any other makes out there that are really fenders? Edit: looks like Jackson and charvel are produced in house at fender too. Edited January 20, 2018 by No. 8 Wire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootleg Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 So they've simplified their range, maybe not in a good way for the punters, but more for the balance sheet. Will it push up AVRI prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bootleg Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Andertons video now up with the bass range https://youtu.be/rdcZeRhV4io Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjones Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 These 50s, 60s and 70s basses are nothing new. The only difference is that they were previously manufactured in mexico. Now you can buy them, manufactured in the USA, and sold for twice the price. I think Fender had Trump voters in mind when they thought of this range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I don't think Fender win any way here. Money for old rope or build something most people aren't interested in. For my own part my MiM 50s classic precision just kills. Glad I got it before the quality .... sorry, price went up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreek Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Maybe if Fender got genuine celebrity endorsements for new gear - neck thru/ composite/etc - the range might stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No. 8 Wire Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 I don't really get what the hand ringing about fender is - its a 'heritage' type brand. You can get a slightly more modern style of fender if you buy a USA Jackson or an EVH (okay guitars only that last one). But I still don't get the ragging on fender - if they produced coffee table versions of their basses then suddenly there would be no room for the 'boutique' style basses, 90% of which are just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ead Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 1/20/2018 at 11:33, gjones said: I think Fender had Trump voters in mind when they thought of this range. Surely that's going to be an MIA Roger Waters P bass. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 This is all very silly. Fender aren't trying to rip anyone off, they are trying to survive. They are repositioning their ranges and (hopefully) addressing the issues of the past. If these are better made basses (and they'd better be or Fender is gong out of business) then they will be worth the price. If anyone doesn't want to pay US prices then they have less expensive ranges (which I hope will be better built as well) to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyJohnson Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 On 20/01/2018 at 16:19, No. 8 Wire said: if they produced coffee table versions of their basses then suddenly there would be no room for the 'boutique' style basses, 90% of which are just that. They did...I'm unsure whether these were solely custom shop or limited run models, but does anyone remember these monstrosities: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No. 8 Wire Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, NancyJohnson said: They did...I'm unsure whether these were solely custom shop or limited run models, but does anyone remember these monstrosities: Ouch that is rank. However it has striking similarities to another phallically well endowed range of basses which has a large and loyal following. I guess this is good evidence that Fender should stick to what it is good at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronJ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, NancyJohnson said: They did...I'm unsure whether these were solely custom shop or limited run models, but does anyone remember these monstrosities: That looks like the bastard lovechild of a Laurus Quasar and a Washburn Taurus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyJ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Makes me think of Jerzy Drozd too. I saw one of those "Fenders" in the flesh once at a clinic of Fender Custom Shop master builder John English years ago. It's even more hideous in person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevsy71 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 10 hours ago, ead said: Surely that's going to be an MIA Roger Waters P bass. Or a MIM Wal...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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