Bluewine Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Great commentary on why it's so difficult to make it. Let's Talk About It Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Audition for the X Factor or The Voice 😀😀😀😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 minute ago, steantval said: Audition for the X Factor or The Voice 😀😀😀😀 I think you have to have the same attributes going for you even with the X Factor. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 I think only Ace or Kiss fans have ever heard of Ritchie Scarlet. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 2 Ritchie Clips I get why Ritchie never made it big, but I still love old NYC guys like him He's full of himself,a throwback from the past, you gotta love it. Blue Edited January 18, 2018 by Bluewine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 as he says be under 30, (unless you're seasick steve) be talented, and above all be very very lucky, ( the Oasis doc on iplayer, unless they'd not blagged their way onto a Glasgow gig it might never have happened) how many hundreds of thousands of bands have there been and how many have even got to the stage where they can make a living at it? a very small percentage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, PaulWarning said: as he says be under 30, (unless you're seasick steve) be talented, and above all be very very lucky, ( the Oasis doc on iplayer, unless they'd not blagged their way onto a Glasgow gig it might never have happened) how many hundreds of thousands of bands have there been and how many have even got to the stage where they can make a living at it? a very small percentage Agreed, Me, at 64, all I want is to have 2 gigs a week. That means decent bar gigs and my share of the local Festival & Fair business. Blue Edited January 18, 2018 by Bluewine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeystrange Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I agree with Paul that you need to be very very very lucky to ‘make it.’ You don’t even really NEED to be that good. Sometimes just being in the right place at the right time is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Burrito Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Bluewine said: I think only Ace or Kiss fans have ever heard of Ritchie Scarlet. Blue Yep I was a huge Ace fan back in the day. 12 hours ago, PaulWarning said: as he says be under 30, (unless you're seasick steve) Seasick Steve's story was proven to be very manufactured though. He'd been working in the music industry for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 To make it in a band. . . . easy. . . . meet the right people. . . . . just when they are looking for a guy like you. . . . . if you want to go the working musician route then learn to read, play like a demon with a technique to match. . . then meet the right people, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barking Spiders Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Making it is purely down to the laws of probability. At any time there are thousands of music acts trying to make it. Most will be of comparable talent, looks etc but only one will be at the right place, the right time, with the right sound and looks for the times and with the right contacts. Being technically accomplished and knowing music theory are pretty irrelevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 This guy didn't make it because, from what I can see, he is only OK. The standards required to get to the top are very high, even for bands and artists we don't rate personally. The pr required to promote a new artist nowadays is expensive so you need to convince people to invest in you. You need to be exceptional. I know I am not and never have been so, much as I enjoy doing this, there are no pipe dreams involved. The art is it's own reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 42 minutes ago, Bilbo said: The standards required to get to the top are very high, even for bands and artists we don't rate personally. Musicians usually don't "make it". Even the very good ones. Talented and original performers do, so just find one of those and be his best mate and right-hand man in his band for as long as it takes him to "make it". Then don't be disappointed if you and the band are fired just before the first album is released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Be under 30..? Oh dear. 'Making it'. What does that mean, anyway? Quite a few famous artists had a terrible time of it, really. My definition of 'making it' is not being poverty stricken, having somewhere warm and dry to live, food, drink and a loving family. Not very rock 'n' roll, I know. You can live fast, die young, do drugs, drink too much and be a rebel who plays by nobody's rules but your own if you like. Been there, done that (except for the dying young bit) - and it's highly overrated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, discreet said: Be under 30..? Oh dear. 'Making it'. What does that mean, anyway? Quite a few famous artists had a terrible time of it, really. My definition of 'making it' is not being poverty stricken, having somewhere warm and dry to live, food, drink and a loving family. Not very rock 'n' roll, I know. You can live fast, die young, do drugs, drink too much and be a rebel who plays by nobody's rules but your own if you like. Been there, done that (except for the dying young bit) - and it's highly overrated. there's been a thread about this before, I think the consensus was being able to make a living at it, i.e. pack up your day job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, PaulWarning said: there's been a thread about this before, I think the consensus was being able to make a living at it, i.e. pack up your day job I've drifted in and out over the years. I don't have a day job, but that's probably not entirely down to my 'success' as a bass player. Edited January 19, 2018 by discreet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo Valdemar Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 16 hours ago, Bluewine said: I think only Ace or Kiss fans have ever heard of Ritchie Scarlet. Blue I saw him play with Mountain a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bilbo said: This guy didn't make it because, from what I can see, he is only OK. The standards required to get to the top are very high, even for bands and artists we don't rate personally. The pr required to promote a new artist nowadays is expensive so you need to convince people to invest in you. You need to be exceptional. I know I am not and never have been so, much as I enjoy doing this, there are no pipe dreams involved. The art is it's own reward. Yeah , Ritchie is ok and now he's ok and older. I like "Without Your Love* Blue Edited January 19, 2018 by Bluewine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, Bluewine said: Yeah , Ritchie is ok and now he's ok and older. However, Ritchie has gotten further than most of us. I've never played with Ace, Alice or Leslie West. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 hours ago, discreet said: Be under 30..? Oh dear. 'Making it'. What does that mean, anyway? For me , at 64 making it means keeping a 3 gig per week schedule. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 21 hours ago, PaulWarning said: as he says be under 30, (unless you're seasick steve) be talented, and above all be very very lucky, ( the Oasis doc on iplayer, unless they'd not blagged their way onto a Glasgow gig it might never have happened) how many hundreds of thousands of bands have there been and how many have even got to the stage where they can make a living at it? a very small percentage Mark Knopfler hit the big time when he was 30/31. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, steantval said: Mark Knopfler hit the big time when he was 30/31. Mark is an exception I'm sure Mark is not the only one. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 He seemed realllllllyyyyyy old at the time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, T-Bay said: He seemed realllllllyyyyyy old at the time though. And he didn't really look like a rock or Pop star. Blue Edited January 19, 2018 by Bluewine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bay Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Very true, just goes to show it’s possible, not easy by any stretch, but possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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