lowdown Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 6 hours ago, kodiakblair said: Macca probably agrees with QJ And if you believe interviews, so did John Lennon.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbass Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 11 hours ago, Bluewine said: I'm completely down on QJ right now. He picked on the wrong guys. I'm maintaing my position on principal. In my world you don't rip on The Beatles. Blue I agree with u totally. Lnn & Mctny were an amazing writing duo..incredible, but Ringo a drummer?...not when you put him up against the pool QJ had to choose from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) It must really boil Jones’s bladder contents that other well known drummers have a lot of respect for Ringo’s drumming...and barely reference his beloved jazz technicians. Mike Portnoy, he has Starr in his top 4 influences. Jones comes across as someone who views music primarily as a technical endeavour. He portrays himself as a jazz cliche, in that all other music or musicians have no value. Anyway, anyone who lends any weight to astrology simply has forfeited any claim to have a valid opinion Edited February 12, 2018 by Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Doctor J said: Yes, exactly what the entertainent industry needs is more people who keep quiet and don’t have an opinion on anything. That’s entertainment. The saddest part of this is the reaction of so many who are outraged by one man speaking his mind. Remember when having an opinion and talking about it was a regular thing? What an utter shambles the world has become where speaking openly and without fear draws the ire of those who’d rather live in a bubble with the precious fallacy they’ve cultivated around their sacred cows. Let the man speak. If you don’t like it, tough. Learn not to get offended by opinions other than your own. There’s a lot he said which was a little uncofortable to read but I’m guessing he got to where he is by being a straight-talker and not someone scared to upset a Beatle or two. Consider that maybe they tried harder and did better because of his directness. Being a producer is a lot more than just “Well done, boys, you’ve just recorded your first number one!” Jones exercised his freedom to speak, and then others have exercised their freedom to speak. No-one died. Then you exercised your freedom to speak. I can't see what the problem is ... unless you are outraged and offended by people speaking their minds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Moral outrage is my bedfellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 8 hours ago, oldbass said: I agree with u totally. Lnn & Mctny were an amazing writing duo..incredible, but Ringo a drummer?...not when you put him up against the pool QJ had to choose from. I doubt any of Quincys drummers had what it took to be a Beatle. It involved a lot more than drums. Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 7 hours ago, EssentialTension said: Jones exercised his freedom to speak, and then others have exercised their freedom to speak. No-one died. Then you exercised your freedom to speak. I can't see what the problem is ... unless you are outraged and offended by people speaking their minds I'm offended by people saying silly things that make no sense. When did anyone ever think The Beatles were fantastic Musicians? Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivansc Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 On 10/02/2018 at 22:56, Bluewine said: Good Lord Quincy. Most didn't know what an electric bass guitar was until Paul showed up. Blue Speak for yourself, sonny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandad Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Just read the condensed interview. An interesting read. It comes across as somewhat elitist. And that's understandable given his talent and experience. But I get the feeling that his talent and musical experience mixed with other issues has given rise to some rather blunt remarks amongst the mostly erudite. His lack of grace is disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, grandad said: . . . . His lack of grace is disappointing. This. You're on your way out when you start bad mouthing people you work with and for. Why hire QJ and have him spout his subjective and negative comments and crap all over your project right afterwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluewine Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 hours ago, ivansc said: Speak for yourself, sonny! Prior to The Beatles where was there electric bass guitars in wide use? Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staggering on Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 39 minutes ago, Bluewine said: Prior to The Beatles where was there electric bass guitars in wide use? Blue Not to be rude, but I assume you have heard of Carol Kay and James Jamerson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SH73 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Never heard of Quincy before but the article had some interesting points. Ringo's drumming "skills " have never impressed me. Paul McC.hmmm. Anyways, I do like some Beatles songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 @Bluewine the Beatles aren't untouchable. Nobody is. One could argue it's the failures in technique in a band that make for the magic and personality of it. Well, sometimes. Sadly, people do think the Beatles are the greatest musicians ever. Otherwise Paul wouldn't regularly top "best bass player" lists. On a technical level he's nowhere near it. I'm not talking about songwriting as that's different, I'm talking about just chops. He doesn't have the ability of Stanley Clarke, Jaco or any of those pedestal type players. Even within the rock medium he's nowhere near the top. Quincy might have been blunt, but I'm sure that Paul won't care and also won't be wondering about his reputation has been tarnished as a major producer has insinuated he isn't that great at his instrument. He's probably having a wry laugh at it. Take Quincy's interview as what it is - an old man deciding to let rip a bit in the twilight of his life. Some of it's amusing, but I bet the stuff he'll not discuss in an interview would be much more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Bluewine said: Prior to The Beatles where was there electric bass guitars in wide use? Blue You're on a hiding to nothing with this one, lad. Your blinkers are showing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 6 hours ago, Bluewine said: Prior to The Beatles where was there electric bass guitars in wide use? Blue Here's just one example ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) I'm not getting into the Beatles or Ringo argument, but if QJ hired Ringo to play drums then he should have understood more about Ringo's strengths and weaknesses. You hire a "Ringo Starr" because you want Ringo Starr. You don't want him playing like Steve Gadd, Ed Greene or even Ronnie Verrell, so if Ringo wasn't doing what QJ wanted on the track QJ should have hired the right guy in the first place. IMO that's a Quincy Jones fail. If you watch the Steely Dan film about the recording of Aja you'll see the cream of US session players being "dumped" because Walter and Donald thought they didn't suite the track. Edited February 13, 2018 by chris_b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Jones didn't hire Starkey to play drums. Starkey hired Jones as arranger for the song 'Love is a Many Splendoured Thing' on Starkey's first solo album Sentimental Journey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Readinng the article again, I see that Jones described McCartney as 'the worst bass player I ever heard'. Perhaps Jones only ever heard a load of highly technically proficient jazz/funk/session guys playing bass and then McCartney ... or perhaps he just never heard me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4000 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, EssentialTension said: Readinng the article again, I see that Jones described McCartney as 'the worst bass player I ever heard'. This certainly can't be true as there's a section in Quincy's Gula Matari (which I otherwise love) where the bass is absolutely miles out, and McCartney's not even on it. Look a bit closer to home Mr.J. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 52 minutes ago, EssentialTension said: Jones didn't hire Starkey to play drums. Starkey hired Jones as arranger for the song 'Love is a Many Splendoured Thing' on Starkey's first solo album Sentimental Journey. Then I think QJ is even more of an derrière. It's QJ's job to spend the time and make the effort get the best out of Ringo, not replace him because he wan't technically correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssentialTension Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, chris_b said: Then I think QJ is even more of an derrière. It's QJ's job to spend the time and make the effort get the best out of Ringo, not replace him because he wan't technically correct. ... and it's not even a very good arangement. Starkey should ask for his money back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, EssentialTension said: ...Starkey hired Jones as arranger for the song 'Love is a Many Splendoured Thing' on Starkey's first solo album Sentimental Journey... There's two minutes of my life I'll never get back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor J Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Would this have been during Ringo’s long and spectacular coked-off-my-tits period? Maybe that’s why he couldn’t do it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casapete Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: There's two minutes of my life I'll never get back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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