Bean9seventy - the first UK funk / slap bassist?

[funkgod]

The LP for me that took slap to a new level was Level 42 Level 42 i only got the early tapes later on when it was rereleased not even knowing about the first untill i read the foot notes on the LP,

i know this is about uk slap players but just as an interesting point, while slap bass has been around a long time for double bass players, the earliest i know of was the ink spots releasing a track called "slap that bass" early 30s and even later on joe haymes released it also, tho on the jo haymes version there is no bass slapping the part was done in finger style tho no doubt on the ink spots version i can hear slapped notes or pulled at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRo2Htl73bc

[Bean9seventy]

22 hours ago, drTStingray said:

I don't think so - the signigicant addition to your History item is the UK dance scene and its influence on bands and Britfunk of the time (and thus MK and Level 42) and the fact that MK was almost certainly influenced by his music shop interfaces of the time. 

Its similar really for instance to the inter relationship of rave music and the rave scene of the late 80s/early 90s. 

 

my  comment is correct , & backed by other comments  without fans you don't have a scene ,, whether it was 1956 , with rock ,, 1976/77 with punk & disco ,,,

if you are So instant , why did MK Rip off bass lines ? from people he totally ignored with intent, perhaps with  complete contempt  , where he had no interest in their abilities & style whatsoever no matter how Big they were in the industry ,, like a reality tv panel where he would 1 million% ignore ignore ,, shut his eyes put his fingers in his ears & sing lalala i am not listening ,, then rip off the entire scene , & ?? BASS LINES ?? ,  oh yes ,, he was not the 1st to wear his bass high up , ,, with tight pants & slap

its crazy talk ,,

"what you think" bears no relation to what other people "Know"

Edited August 30, 2018 by Bean9seventy

[Bean9seventy]

19 hours ago, lowdown said:

It seems that in 1977, Disco Dancers (well Americans) had perfected the Art of 'Slap & Pop' air Bass.

Check out 0:16 during the intro.

no low down ,, they all were taught by MK ;D , he invented slap nor LG ,,

Butt they never got it right ,, they are slapping their belly buttons ,, they should be slapping their chins ,,,,

[Bean9seventy]

16 hours ago, funkgod said:

The LP for me that took slap to a new level was Level 42 Level 42 i only got the early tapes later on when it was rereleased not even knowing about the first untill i read the foot notes on the LP,

i know this is about uk slap players but just as an interesting point, while slap bass has been around a long time for double bass players, the earliest i know of was the ink spots releasing a track called "slap that bass" early 30s and even later on joe haymes released it also, tho on the jo haymes version there is no bass slapping the part was done in finger style tho no doubt on the ink spots version i can hear slapped notes or pulled at least.

,,,,

yes ,, slapping bass has been around a long time certain in fact i have seen UK  rock n rollers slap double bass before i even knew about music ,,

great call ,, in so much as highlighting the switch from be bop jazz , into pop music ,,,

we call rock n roll "southern be bop" ;D

thank you

Edited August 30, 2018 by Bean9seventy

[Bean9seventy]

22 hours ago, drTStingray said:

I don't think so - the signigicant addition to your History item is the UK dance scene and its influence on bands and Britfunk of the time (and thus MK and Level 42) and the fact that MK was almost certainly influenced by his music shop interfaces of the time. 

Its similar really for instance to the inter relationship of rave music and the rave scene of the late 80s/early 90s. 

 

I will not comment on the rave scene out of respect to other underground DJs i know who are experts of the history of rave ,,

even tho i was in an Acid Rave band at the time ,,

i am not on the recording ,,, tho i did sit in with the above "as their " live bass player " for a few gigs to promote the group ,,

[Grassie]

3 hours ago, Bean9seventy said:

 

"what you think" bears no relation to what other people "Know"

You said it.

[Bean9seventy]

19 hours ago, Grassie said:

You said it.

so ? why do " think " MK would rip off bass lines from people he totally ignored as "no body people" & rip off  their fashion sense & their fan base ,, ?

what you think could be true ,,

your insistence , opens up that rabbit hole as a possibility ,, maybe that is exactly what he did ,,

as for me ,, i don't like show biz , i don't like " the music industry << wont go near them ,, 35 years i have been like that <<

but after meeting MK @ The LBGS he made it quit clear in post interviews he was Not how you think  ,, by a long chalk ,

he remembers us ,, he knows who we are ,, the other bass players i know,, i grew up with ,,  are his friends , eg people he knows very well ,, like Tubsy ,,

the longer the post went on ,,

is there anything else ??

[Paul S]

You know, I have been following this thread since it started and still have absolutely no idea what the point of it all is.  Anyone else confused?  Bean9seventy - you seem to have invented a whole new way of punctuation, let alone bass playing.

 

On topic - or is it?  - I do recall Mark King saying in an interview that he started playing the way he plays because he wanted to play like the start of 'Rise' by Herb Alpert.  Which does sound exactly like a slowed down version of Love Games.

[Bean9seventy]

1 hour ago, Paul S said:

You know, I have been following this thread since it started and still have absolutely no idea what the point of it all is.  Anyone else confused?  Bean9seventy - you seem to have invented a whole new way of punctuation, let alone bass playing.

 

On topic - or is it?  - I do recall Mark King saying in an interview that he started playing the way he plays because he wanted to play like the start of 'Rise' by Herb Alpert.  Which does sound exactly like a slowed down version of Love Games.

great ,,, herb albert was a massive dance tune ,, what i call a studio 21 beat ,, big Soul gigs liked slower music ,, easier to get 100s all moving at the same time ,, the floor floor Hand Clap , so important to the beat ,

thus jazz funk was coined ,, at that time ,, shakatak capitalized on that sound ,, Imagination too ,,

an exaggerated  over step beat , dominated the early 80s ,, which is a different topic ,,

i go to LBGS  every year & meet the organizers of bass chat uk ,, & promised i would join their site ,,

so one day i got a prompt from reddit saying someone thought i said i was UKs 1st slap bassist , so i started this thread to explain what i meant ,, 

now we are up to ,, i don't know what you mean ,,

s ,,  welcome to aol

[Grassie]

6 hours ago, Bean9seventy said:

 

but after meeting MK @ The LBGS he made it quit clear in post interviews he was Not how you think  ,, by a long chalk ,

he remembers us ,, he knows who we are ,, the other bass players i know,, i grew up with ,,  are his friends , eg people he knows very well ,, like Tubsy ,,

the longer the post went on ,,

is there anything else ??

Yes. Could you clarify the above quote please? As a non-cryptic answer.

[Bean9seventy]

2 hours ago, Grassie said:

Yes. Could you clarify the above quote please? As a non-cryptic answer.

your comments suggest MK ,,  directly went along to rip off bass lines  bass players & bass methods ,, fashion style & fans bases ,, from people he intentionally ignored ,, or thought nothing of ,, & still ignored , no matter what ,,

they had no influence on MK whatsoever ,,

so ?/ why did MK , Clone their bass lines , ??

its the 3rd time time you haven't explained this reason ,,  question, ? why did MK  copy their bass lines >>

[Grassie]

My comments suggest nothing of the sort. Are you drunk?

[Guest]

I’m leaning toward AI chatbot. Actually scrap that, I’ve had conversations with a chat agent that made more sense than this thread 😆

[mcnach]

If you don't find it interesting, guys, feel free to move along and leave this for those who do find it interesting. Thanks. It's getting tedious now with some of you.

[Bean9seventy]

On 01/09/2018 at 08:32, Grassie said:

My comments suggest nothing of the sort. Are you drunk?

the same thing happened on you tube ,, in a jamiroquai thread ,, once a main question was required they switched off ,, too compelling ,,

your comments suggest ,, the 1st group of UK Slappers including myself had no influence on MK ,,

your saying its not right ,, & you want evidence ,

the evidence is easy ,, if we had no influence on MK

Q ,WHY DID HE RIP OFF OUR BASS LINES ,, 5TH TIME /

thank you ,,

[Bean9seventy]

18 hours ago, mcnach said:

If you don't find it interesting, guys, feel free to move along and leave this for those who do find it interesting. Thanks. It's getting tedious now with some of you.

if the titanic sunk in 1912 ,, people in 2018 will troll the witness as a liar ,, i have been in you tube for years ,, i have seen people , quit from being trolled over certain bands & bass players like the above ,,

could that be due to the culture of the music industry i never wanted any part of ?

i stayed away ,, there is still a shadow , desperate need to be in front ,, to be winning the game  , 

was MK  a rip off ?? ,, certainly not ,, he made clear at LBGS ,, reminding people in post interviews were it all started for him ,

The Chris Hill gang ,, & that us ,,

another classic head bass line we would jam in shops ,,,

all before anyone had herd the name Marcus Miller ,

popswell was our 1st king

[lowdown]

1 hour ago, Bean9seventy said:

 

another classic head bass line we would jam in shops ,,,

 

 James Jamerson Jr on Bass?

 

 

 

 

Edited September 2, 2018 by lowdown

[lowdown]

1 hour ago, Bean9seventy said:

if the titanic sunk in 1912 ,, people in 2018 will troll the witness as a liar ,

 

Edited September 2, 2018 by lowdown

[Bean9seventy]

1 hour ago, lowdown said:

 

yes low down ,, plus they would all be watching the same pod cast ,,

[timhiggins]

A young Dion Estus on bass with the best singer of all time [indisputable]

Anyone know what year this is ?

 

 

[lowdown]

27 minutes ago, timhiggins said:

Anyone know what year this is ?

 

I thought it was 1980, but I found this in among the reply posts.

"This was in Oostende in Belgium in 1981. That is where he recorded a part of the album Midnight love (sexual healing). This rehearsal was for a concert at the casino in Oostende. He lived there for more than a year. Belgium ! Who could tell ?"

Which ties in with the Wiki page...

"On February 14, 1981, under the advice of music promoter Freddy Cousaert, Gaye relocated to Cousaert' apartment in Ostend, Belgium.^[88] While there, Gaye shied away from heavy drug use and began exercising and attending a local Ostend church, regaining personal confidence.^[89][90] Following several months of recovery, Gaye sought a comeback onstage, starting the short-lived Heavy Love Affair tour in England and Ostend in June–July 1981.^[91] Gaye's personal attorney Curtis Shaw would later describe Gaye's Ostend period as "the best thing that ever happened to Marvin". When word got around that Gaye was planning a musical comeback and an exit from Motown, CBS Urban president Larkin Arnold eventually was able to convince Gaye to sign with CBS. On March 23, 1982, Motown and CBS Records negotiated Gaye's release from Motown. The details of the contract were not revealed due to a possible negative effect on the singer's settlement to creditors from the IRS."

[tthiggins]

Cheers Lowdown 

I had thought it was earlier before Dion moved over here which had me thinking he surely must have informed the whole slap bass scene through touring with Marvin.

[adamg67]

Any thread that starts with 4 posts from the same person arguing with themselves is never gonna end well...

[ambient]

I keep seeing this thread, and reading through it. I really find it genuinely, totally confusing, particularly posts by the OP. Who is he?

I'm sure I've read more than once that Mark King's introduction to slap playing was seeing an American bass player who visited the shop that he was working in.

Edited September 2, 2018 by ambient

[SpondonBassed]

Ah the cosmic significance of it all.

Can you imagine the Bieber generation when they get to middle age?  The arguments over who came up with the cuddly stuffed toy impersonations first should be breathtaking.

I don't know why folk get worked up over something that can't be defined, even if you were there.

It is an interesting topic though and I appreciate an alternative view even if it does sometimes sound as if it comes with a helping of chips on each shoulder.