Grassie Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 Hey all, I played my first full band gig in a couple of years last night and experienced the same issues that partially made me stop playing with the last band, namely loud on-stage volume. Now don't get me wrong - this new band are not ear-splittingly loud for a pub/function band, but we play venues that are small and this means that I am stood right next to the drummer for 2+ hours. I'm waiting to see the ENT specialist about my hearing loss, but I wanted to pick your collective brains about this. Has anyone used something similar to this to monitor their own playing with the intention of filtering out on-stage volume at the same time? https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-P2-Ultra-Compact-Personal-In-Ear-Monitor-Amplifier/26FN The only things that go through our PA is the vocals and keyboards, so I'm not intending to use something like the Behringer to monitor the whole band - more to cut the amount of volume from the overall stage sound while retaining my amp signal by taking a line out of my amp and into this neat looking box. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Grassie said: ...Any thoughts? It looks like a reasonable solution to your issue, and won't cost a fortune to try out, at least. As long as you can live with an umbilical cord, it looks to be sound. Not yet available, I see, so some patience, unless there are other, similar product already in use..? Please update with your decision and experience, either with this or any other product..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassie Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Dad3353 said: It looks like a reasonable solution to your issue, and won't cost a fortune to try out, at least. As long as you can live with an umbilical cord, it looks to be sound. Not yet available, I see, so some patience, unless there are other, similar product already in use..? Please update with your decision and experience, either with this or any other product..? I certainly will. 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Grassie said: Hey all, I played my first full band gig in a couple of years last night and experienced the same issues that partially made me stop playing with the last band, namely loud on-stage volume. Now don't get me wrong - this new band are not ear-splittingly loud for a pub/function band, but we play venues that are small and this means that I am stood right next to the drummer for 2+ hours. I'm waiting to see the ENT specialist about my hearing loss, but I wanted to pick your collective brains about this. Has anyone used something similar to this to monitor their own playing with the intention of filtering out on-stage volume at the same time? https://www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Behringer-P2-Ultra-Compact-Personal-In-Ear-Monitor-Amplifier/26FN The only things that go through our PA is the vocals and keyboards, so I'm not intending to use something like the Behringer to monitor the whole band - more to cut the amount of volume from the overall stage sound while retaining my amp signal by taking a line out of my amp and into this neat looking box. Any thoughts? I use and have the device that behringer 'modelled' their P2 on, namely the Fischer Stick. The Fischer is a very high quality and excellent headphone amplifier and yes you could take a line out from your amp, in to this and direct in to your IEMs. I have another option you could try out too: This video I do need to update as I have some other solutions I use too. Maybe using a little mixer instead of the P2, you could blend your bass volume with that of the on stage sound but at a much more controllable volume in your moulded IEMs! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassie Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 Cheers dood, I'll have a look at that video. I played again last night and we were at a slightly lower volume so it wasn' so much of an issue, but I am now looking at a gig per week at least, so I think something like the Behringer is going to be an essential pice of kit as far as I'm concerned. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted April 22, 2018 Share Posted April 22, 2018 44 minutes ago, Grassie said: Cheers dood, I'll have a look at that video. I played again last night and we were at a slightly lower volume so it wasn' so much of an issue, but I am now looking at a gig per week at least, so I think something like the Behringer is going to be an essential pice of kit as far as I'm concerned. 😊 Definitely check out my video as it could offer an alternative. If I think of anything else I'll drop you a line, but let's face it, when the P2 eventually appears (are they available yet? pre-order on G4M) 40 quid is nothing to test out a theory really. Good luck and keep me posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grassie Posted April 22, 2018 Author Share Posted April 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, dood said: Definitely check out my video as it could offer an alternative. If I think of anything else I'll drop you a line, but let's face it, when the P2 eventually appears (are they available yet? pre-order on G4M) 40 quid is nothing to test out a theory really. Good luck and keep me posted. Will do mate, thanks again. 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougal Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 (edited) WRT the umbilical cord: I recently constructed a 2 cable snake using two 8m cables bought from ebay (1 instrument cable, one a headphone extension), 8m of 10mm expandable braided tubing and two bits of heat shrink to stop the braid uncoiling. I got the idea from a youtube video of a pit bassist who had made one for himself. If you're interested I'll dig out the links. I've only tried it once (in rehearsal) into Ultimate Ears moulded plugs: it resulted in DI-ing the bass and micing the guitar so I could get a balanced level as they were a bit occlusive. I'll let you know how it pans out live. Edited April 23, 2018 by dougal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mottlefeeder Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 I've gone in a slightly different direction to get to the same place. We put the PA at the back of the band so we do not need to carry monitors - that means I stand between the PA speaker and the drummer and I can't hear my own rig. I started with a belt-mounted upmarket 'me/them' mixer like the Behringer P1, but I found that my budget in-ears did not keep out enough stage noise, so I sent that back and went for a small (cheaper) desktop mixer and an upgraded pair of in-ears. I now use the Shure SE215s, but I had to get the optional 'chistmas tree' type plugs to get good isolation. I take a feed from the nearest PA speaker through a resistive attenuator: a feed from my speaker output through a resistive attenuator; through the mixer and into my IEMs. Studiospares do a figure-of-8 twin microphone cable which gives me a 'bass to amp' feed on one side and a 'headphone left and right' on the other side. A belt-mounted plastic box holds the plug/socket adaptor to get from stereo jackplug to 3.5mm jack socket for the IEMs. The reason for taking a feed from the bass-speaker connection is that I want to know if it fails. David 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dood Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, dougal said: WRT the umbilical cord: I recently constructed a 2 cable snake using two 8m cables bought from ebay (1 instrument cable, one a headphone extension), 8m of 10mm expandable braided tubing and two bits of heat shrink to stop the braid uncoiling. I got the idea from a youtube video of a pit bassist who had made one for himself. If you're interested I'll dig out the links. I've only tried it once (in rehearsal) into Ultimate Ears moulded plugs: it resulted in DI-ing the bass and micing the guitar so I could get a balanced level as they were a bit occlusive. I'll let you know how it pans out live. Our very own @obbm makes them too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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