spectoremg Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I've seen them around drum kits before. Feedback? Mic bleed? Had the downside of making the guitar very quiet for front rowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfrasho Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Must be just to keep stage volumes down I suspect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Brings the volume of the amp down so that the PA guy has a chance of getting a decent mix. It guessing if it wasn't balanced where you were, there were no front fills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbasspecial Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Forgive my ignorance but wouldn't the sound waves bounce back off the plexi and possibly create some kind of phasing issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Count Bassy Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 If it is to keep the volume down, what does this do that turning the volume down wouldn't do? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 54 minutes ago, pbasspecial said: Forgive my ignorance but wouldn't the sound waves bounce back off the plexi and possibly create some kind of phasing issue? That can be a problem. It depends on the mics that you use. Because it's being close miced it's less of an issue - more of an issue for kits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 15 minutes ago, Count Bassy said: If it is to keep the volume down, what does this do that turning the volume down wouldn't do? The tone of a valve amp changes with the volume as do the speakers. This enables the amp and speakers to be driven to the required levels without taking people's heads off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfrasho Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, EBS_freak said: The tone of a valve amp changes with the volume as do the speakers. This enables the amp and speakers to be driven to the required levels without taking people's heads off. Yep. A cranked valve amp is a thing of beauty but not ideal for live use these days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Elfrasho said: Yep. A cranked valve amp is a thing of beauty but not ideal for live use these days! Modellers are so good now, I don't know what you would want to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I always thought they were there to simplify the engineer's job of filtering out cross bleed to the microphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 No, no, no ... it's tone perspex. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbasspecial Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Pretty much every guitarist has their amp way too loud. I'm not sure it's for tone, I think it's for dominance as they believe they are the Silverback of the group. The problem is too much mid and treble are really piercing and very unpleasant. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 35 minutes ago, SpondonBassed said: I always thought they were there to simplify the engineer's job of filtering out cross bleed to the microphones. They do also - spill into vocal mics. But that's the same as turning down the volume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Clearsonic ampshield - if anybody wants one for their monkey guitarist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knicknack Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 In my other (6-string) life, I run pretty much the same as half the rig above... a Divided by 13 40w head and 2x12. I also use the screen on every gig, mic'd or unmic'd. 2 reasons.... I can pretty much run the amp at the same volume on any gig, which means consistency, these amps sound and behave very differently through the range of volume, and even on half-power the volume knob goes between nothing and 'too much!!!' very quickly. It also means that what the audience hear is more similar to what I'm hearing, and stops the front row from being hit by the harsh beam of the speakers. I haven't been asked to turn down in many years.... The idea of these shaped screens is that you never have a panel parallel with the speakers, and avoid right angles... so you should be able to avoid much reflection. At a guess this was the Beth Hart gig @spectoremg? You'd have seen a few friends of mine doing the support slot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, pbasspecial said: Pretty much every guitarist has their amp way too loud. I'm not sure it's for tone, I think it's for dominance as they believe they are the Silverback of the group. The problem is too much mid and treble are really piercing and very unpleasant. If guitarist = Silverback... shouldn't it be the guitarist in the cage rather than the amp he's broadcasting his chest thumping with? Edited May 2, 2018 by SpondonBassed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: They do also - spill into vocal mics. But that's the same as turning down the volume. I'd love to think of it being that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 18 minutes ago, SpondonBassed said: I'd love to think of it being that simple. I quantified the impact of tone with a valve amp above. To clarify - if the volume coming out of the amp is lower, the less gets to the vocal mics. if you don't run a valve amp hard enough, you may not get the speakers working as they should and they won't give the tone that you are looking for. Likewise, if you don't run a valve amp hard enough, the tone will be very bass shy. In order to get the tone right you'll need to work the amp and speakers right -and that usually results in unfriendly volumes for a sound engineer. in terms of on stage noise rejection, mics with high off axis rejection are the obvious choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, EBS_freak said: I quantified the impact of tone with a valve amp above. To clarify - if the volume coming out of the amp is lower, the less gets to the vocal mics. if you don't run a valve amp hard enough, you may not get the speakers working as they should and they won't give the tone that you are looking for. Likewise, if you don't run a valve amp hard enough, the tone will be very bass shy. In order to get the tone right you'll need to work the amp and speakers right -and that usually results in unfriendly volumes for a sound engineer. in terms of on stage noise rejection, mics with high off axis rejection are the obvious choice. My brain went TILT on reading the second word. Who quantifies anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spectoremg Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 36 minutes ago, knicknack said: In my other (6-string) life, I run pretty much the same as half the rig above... a Divided by 13 40w head and 2x12. I also use the screen on every gig, mic'd or unmic'd. 2 reasons.... I can pretty much run the amp at the same volume on any gig, which means consistency, these amps sound and behave very differently through the range of volume, and even on half-power the volume knob goes between nothing and 'too much!!!' very quickly. It also means that what the audience hear is more similar to what I'm hearing, and stops the front row from being hit by the harsh beam of the speakers. I haven't been asked to turn down in many years.... The idea of these shaped screens is that you never have a panel parallel with the speakers, and avoid right angles... so you should be able to avoid much reflection. At a guess this was the Beth Hart gig @spectoremg? You'd have seen a few friends of mine doing the support slot! Yes it was Beth Hart and the support were excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maude Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, EBS_freak said: Clearsonic ampshield - if anybody wants one for their monkey guitarist. Are they big enough to put the guitarist in with the amp, and the have a little duct to pump the smoke machine in? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 43 minutes ago, Maude said: Are they big enough to put the guitarist in with the amp, and the have a little duct to pump the smoke machine in? You need one of these.... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, jacko said: You need one of these.... Ah, so that's an iPod..! I always wondered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpondonBassed Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 58 minutes ago, jacko said: You need one of these.... Cool! Now everyone can have a personal fart locker of their very own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EBS_freak Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 hours ago, SpondonBassed said: My brain went TILT on reading the second word. Who quantifies anything? Gosh. Your brain must have a hard life! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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