lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Just a thought, but I read loads of posts referring to the singer , warbler or the like as a 'vocalist' the term somehow doesn't seem right to me , allowing for the fact that Dad will link a dictionary definition 😉 , how does the term sit with others ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Happy to oblige, courtesy of the OED ... vocalist NOUN A singer, typically one who regularly performs with a jazz or pop group. ... Hope this helps. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 If you play bass your a bassist, guitar a guitarist, vocals - vocalist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 Yeah , but you can vocalise a bass line or a guitar solo , and OK , you can vocalise a written word by just speaking , surely a better way would be to call a singer , er, a singer 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mep Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 Ours is a pi55artist! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: Happy to oblige, courtesy of the OED ... vocalist NOUN A singer, typically one who regularly performs with a jazz or pop group. .. Well , kind of , jazz /pop can be just, well, vocal noises , Doobey doos , la la la's , scat and the like , but singing 🤔 Edited July 12, 2018 by lurksalot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 The terms are not mutually exclusive, surely..? A singer is a vocalist, and a singer, and a musician, and a [insert epithet of choice...] all at the same time, no..? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 Yep , but it's mission creep , I think the word 'vocalist' is becoming trendy and fashionable and I don't like it it's being used far to often I reckon, and should be put on hold for a while, before we know it , we won't have any singers any more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBin Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 I think of vocalist as the catch-all term for someone who uses their voice as part of a musical performance. Not all vocalists are singers, but all singers are vocalists 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyctes Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, BreadBin said: I think of vocalist as the catch-all term for someone who uses their voice as part of a musical performance. Not all vocalists are singers, but all singers are vocalists This. Rappers are vocalists but not singers (usually). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, lurksalot said: Yep , but it's mission creep , I think the word 'vocalist' is becoming trendy and fashionable and I don't like it it's being used far to often I reckon, and should be put on hold for a while, before we know it , we won't have any singers any more If this is the total extent of your issues with modern times, you're doing very well; I shall shed no tears. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 15 minutes ago, BreadBin said: I think of vocalist as the catch-all term for someone who uses their voice as part of a musical performance. Not all vocalists are singers, but all singers are vocalists Yeah I get that and I think calling a singer a vocalist seems to be a let down on the singer 5 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: If this is the total extent of your issues with modern times, you're doing very well; I shall shed no tears. ... Well , I think that can be easily put to the test , I am sure that you are bawling your eyes out when you listen to my vocalising on my composition entries 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skankdelvar Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 To my certain recollection the term vocalist has been around for years. It may now perhaps be gaining in popularity but I prefer the term: 'the annoying bastard at the front with his idiotic music stand and his crap jokes; who arrives last, leaves first and seldom buys a round; the man whose wife is in a permanent state of (i) illness (ii) vexation (iii) pregnancy; he who never scores a gig except free gigs; and his stupid hat.' 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 55 minutes ago, lurksalot said: Yeah , but you can vocalise a bass line or a guitar solo , and OK , you can vocalise a written word by just speaking , surely a better way would be to call a singer , er, a singer 🤔 I think you've answered your own question, if you put a bass line down using a bass then your a bassist, if you do it using your voice, vocalising it, then you're a vocalist surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 Just now, stingrayPete1977 said: I think you've answered your own question, if you put a bass line down using a bass then your a bassist, if you do it using your voice, vocalising it, then you're a vocalist surely? Absolutely , but I get the impression that real singers are getting landed with the term vocalist and I think they are better than that 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, lurksalot said: Yeah I get that and I think calling a singer a vocalist seems to be a let down on the singer ... I call our singer Stéphane. 6 minutes ago, lurksalot said: ...Well , I think that can be easily put to the test , I am sure that you are bawling your eyes out when you listen to my vocalising on my composition entries Now there, you have a point. Your 'singing' is, indeed, something else. My eyes moisten at the mere thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, lurksalot said: Absolutely , but I get the impression that real singers are getting landed with the term vocalist and I think they are better than that 😂 To be fair, one does tend to say 'opera singer', not 'opera vocalist', so real talent is recognised, when it manifests itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Dad3353 said: To be fair, one does tend to say 'opera singer', not 'opera vocalist', so real talent is recognised, when it manifests itself. Folk singer 😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 Yes I think folking vocalist works better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreadBin Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, lurksalot said: Absolutely , but I get the impression that real singers are getting landed with the term vocalist and I think they are better than that 😂 Agreed, although I haven't met many singers who were that worried about the distinction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 Just now, BreadBin said: Agreed, although I haven't met many singers who were that worried about the distinction Maybe they don't spend enough time worrying and debating these important terminological distinctions , typical vocalist attitude , singers would care 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lurksalot Posted July 12, 2018 Author Share Posted July 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dad3353 said: Oh that's right , manipulating the thread again 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad3353 Posted July 12, 2018 Share Posted July 12, 2018 You've cottoned on quickly; well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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