rubis Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 https://www.tcelectronic.com/Categories/Tcelectronic/Bass/Head-Amplifiers/BQ500/p/P0CQS ........or are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pea Turgh Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Looks nice, none of that toneprint nonsense. Love the marketing speak, too - “MOSFET preamp for that valve sound”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandad Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) I have the BH250 and have for several months have successfully resisted the temptation to buy the BH550 attracted by the hi and low mid controls rather than the 1. So I'm surprised to see these BQ heads. Prices seem very reasonable if the $ matches the £ on release. https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2018/08/05/tc-electronic-unveils-the-bq250-and-bq500-bass-amps/ I do like the built in tuner on the BH so the BQ heads wouldn't be for me and I have the Spectracomp toneprint loaded which I use sparingly. But what is this THRUST ? We can all I think appreciate HEFT as a desirable and often elusive quality, but THRUST! I can't imagine a sound engineer calling for a bit more THRUST from the bassman - " can you give me a bit more THRUST please". Would you be happy with a THRUST control on the front panel of your amplifier in full view of all and sundry? Methinks that THRUST should be left well and truly in the remit of those singers who gyrate and strut through their testosterone-fuelled performance. If a product of the marketing department I don't think THRUST is something a right-minded bassman would aspire to. I may be wrong but I'm of the opinion that THRUSTING has it's proper place elsewhere than in bass terminology. Do we not, as a fraternity, have a duty to resist the introduction of vague descriptors? THRUST indeed, whatever next? Edited August 7, 2018 by grandad fun and grammar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stingrayPete1977 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Has it got anything to do with Blue's invisible bear dance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandad Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, stingrayPete1977 said: Has it got anything to do with Blue's invisible bear dance? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 A 500-watt revolutionzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 (edited) ...incidentally, I wonder how many watts it really is? Edited August 7, 2018 by wateroftyne 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassBunny Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 1 hour ago, grandad said: Prices seem very reasonable if the $ matches the £ on release. https://www.notreble.com/buzz/2018/08/05/tc-electronic-unveils-the-bq250-and-bq500-bass-amps/ Gear4Music have the BQ500 on pre-order for £249.00 https://www.gear4music.com/Guitar-and-Bass/TC-Electronic-Thrust-BQ500-Bass-Head/2M3F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewisK1975 Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 Yeah I spotted these too. Prices seem really good. I have the BH250 and it's a really good, easy-to-get-a-good-sound-out-of type amp. Gassed for a BH550/800 for a while too, but then an RH750 came onto my radar and I've been using that ever since. BH250 is now the backup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40hz Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 This appears to be a cut down BH550. Good price though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 3 hours ago, wateroftyne said: ...incidentally, I wonder how many watts it really is? Probably about 300 watts but with more compression baked in than a baked Alaska splatted on a car windshield in the height of summer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ped Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 They look good but I’d miss the tone print function because you can have a brilliant compressor on board with that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, ped said: They look good but I’d miss the tone print function because you can have a brilliant compressor on board with that The compressor is already there so that they can game the wattage ratings. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrumpymike Posted August 7, 2018 Share Posted August 7, 2018 'Thrust' appears to be some sort of fancy compression. Even though I sold it, I liked my BH550 - the onboard tuner and Toneprint were handy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CameronJ Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Hmm. Definitely looks like a slightly simplified BH series head. My question: if it ain’t broke, why try to fix it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFRC Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 6 hours ago, CameronJ said: Hmm. Definitely looks like a slightly simplified BH series head. My question: if it ain’t broke, why try to fix it? To get a cheap basic head out at a lower price point? The bass head range is a bit of a mess from a marketing POV - like what is the difference between the BH and RH lines supposed to be? They don’t explain that at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisswanbon Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 It's nice to see something a bit more gimmick free and plug and play being brought to the TC table. That being said; I think TC have forever dented people's trust in them with the whole wattage thing, and no matter what they offer now (at whatever price point) it'll always be a question that's raised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wateroftyne Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 The thing is, it’s only TC that admitted it. Given the shared technology, I bet there’s a few others whistling on the sidelines, hoping no-one will notice. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I now feel slightly dissapointed that my TC-RH450 doesn't have a thrust control. There are many times I am sure I could have done with more thrust, and as we don't get invisible bears over here, that would have been perfect. I am sure there are times when there is just way too much thrust too. In fact I might have to make an effect pedal for some thrust control. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisswanbon Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 As long as they haven't cooked the numbers on how much thrust it's actually putting out too. If they tell me I'm getting 10 thrust, then I want 10 thrust; not 5 thrust that's compressed to sound like 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pea Turgh Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Whats the story behind wattgate then, chaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisisswanbon Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Something along the lines of the RH750 being marketed as a 700 watt head, when really it puts out a max of 236 watts (same as the RH450 I believe) with some clever compression to make it as loud as a 700 watt head. I found that the amp had a baked in overly compressed tone, and even by class D standards lacked "heft". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodinblack Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 No, the 450 is 235 and short term 450, the 750 is 400 and something http://cdn-downloads.tcelectronic.com/media/914735/tc_electronic_bass_amp_power_rating___active_power_management.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverinebass Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 7 minutes ago, Woodinblack said: No, the 450 is 235 and short term 450, the 750 is 400 and something http://cdn-downloads.tcelectronic.com/media/914735/tc_electronic_bass_amp_power_rating___active_power_management.pdf Well, that makes everything acceptable doesn't it? 😄 On a serious level, I'm sick of manufacturers gaming the wattage ratings for class D/switch power amps. Hartke's newest underpowered joke being another example. I generally operate on a rule of thumb that if it's class D, you need at least a third or 50% more power than it says it gives to get the required wattage you desire. Maybe it's just the cheaper amps don't use as good power modules, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jensenmann Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Thrust is a patented circuit in API 2500 compressors. It´s basically a sidechain highpassfilter which causes the compressor to react less on LF signals than on HF. https://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advice/q-what-does-api-2500-compressors-thrust-control-do Let´s wait and see if there will be a patent violation lawsuit.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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