Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) I'm guessing when it's got an EMG pickup and no logos on the bridge or tuners. This popped up on one of my local sales sites. To be fair the seller does state he doesn't think it's an original. Still....... Worth a punt at £230? Edited August 29, 2018 by Newfoundfreedom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 That's as fake as a really fake thing... Even ignoring the cheap bridge, tuners and pickup, the body is wrong, the headstock is wrong, the "made in..." decal is wrong. So much wrong... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bigwan said: That's as fake as a really fake thing... Even ignoring the cheap bridge, tuners and pickup, the body is wrong, the headstock is wrong, the "made in..." decal is wrong. So much wrong... So....no then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just because it looks (a bit) like the real thing doesn't mean that it will play or sound even remotely like the real thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlloyd Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 I wouldn't have that in my house. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Happy Jack said: Just because it looks (a bit) like the real thing doesn't mean that it will play or sound even remotely like the real thing. Fair comment, but I've no idea what one sounds like anyway. I've never played the real thing and probably never will because I don't have a grand to throw at a bass to play in a band that's just a weekend hobby. So given what it is. A cheap imitation with a half decent pickup? Edited August 29, 2018 by Newfoundfreedom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 ??? If you have £230 available then buy a decent pre-owned Squier. That would be a much better bet IMHO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Why spend any money on a fake? That's £230 not going towards a proper bass. So, no, it's not worth a punt at £5 let alone £230. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete.young Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 That bridge reminds me of something- maybe an early OLP? Should be able to pick one of those up for £150 - £200 , preferably a later one with a better bridge. Jack's right, there are far better things you could do with £230. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Happy Jack said: ??? If you have £230 available then buy a decent pre-owned Squier. That would be a much better bet IMHO. Yeah I get what you're saying, and I know this is probably sacrilege to say on here, but I can't stand Squier, or for that matter Fender guitars. I know to many they're the holy grail. But damn those things are ugly. 4 minutes ago, chris_b said: Why spend any money on a fake? That's £230 not going towards a proper bass. So, no, it's not worth a punt at £5 let alone £230. Because it would look good with my Nuke trainers and Aditoff T shirt. Edited August 29, 2018 by Newfoundfreedom 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just to clarify. I'm not even looking for another bass. I just saw that popup and wondered what the consensus would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 If you have £230 to spend buy an Ibanez ATK used. Better than the real thing in my opinion... and I've owned both... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
songofthewind Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Ain't like no Music Man I ever heard of! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, chris_b said: Why spend any money on a fake? That's £230 not going towards a proper bass. So, no, it's not worth a punt at £5 let alone £230. Interesting comment. So because it has a fake logo it's not a proper bass? So say for example if it had the original branding, let's say for example OLP. Then would it be a proper bass? Or is it not a proper bass because it's perhaps cheaply made? In which case, how would anyone who doesn't have 5 grand to spend on an instrument ever become a musician? I'm not disagreeing with your comment. Just playing devil's advocate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_lefty Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 For that kind of money you may be able to get an SUB. Also the fakery is done very badly, if it's a "vintage" say, then it would have been better off remaining a "vintage". And there's nothing wrong with OLP or SUB basses, not sure why the person has bothered, particularly with the "made in" decal on the back of the headstock! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bigwan said: If you have £230 to spend buy an Ibanez ATK used. Better than the real thing in my opinion... and I've owned both... I agree. I've always been a fan of Ibanez. My old guitar player used to swear by them and he sounded fantastic. Great gear for the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said: Interesting comment. So because it has a fake logo it's not a proper bass? So say for example if it had the original branding, let's say for example OLP. Then would it be a proper bass? Or is it not a proper bass because it's perhaps cheaply made? In which case, how would anyone who doesn't have 5 grand to spend on an instrument ever become a musician? I'm not disagreeing with your comment. Just playing devil's advocate. It's a fake because it's not what it says it is. And if it's not what it says it is. What is it? Do you think spending £230 is a good way to find out? That should be enough of a warning to save you wasting your hard earned cash. Maybe it isn't. I don't care if you buy it or not, but you did ask for opinions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, uk_lefty said: For that kind of money you may be able to get an SUB. Also the fakery is done very badly, if it's a "vintage" say, then it would have been better off remaining a "vintage". And there's nothing wrong with OLP or SUB basses, not sure why the person has bothered, particularly with the "made in" decal on the back of the headstock! Yeah I agree. It seems like a lot of trouble to go to to fake something badly. Maybe it's a movie prop? It could be worth millions! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigwan Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Just now, Newfoundfreedom said: I agree. I've always been a fan of Ibanez. My old guitar player used to swear by them and he sounded fantastic. Great gear for the money. I compared an ATK300 alongside 2 brand new MM 4 strings a few years back. No comparison to me. I'd already owned 4 MM basses (Stingray 4 & 5, Bongo 4 & 5) by that point. A £300 Ibanez wasted the lot of them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, chris_b said: It's a fake because it's not what it says it is. And if it's not what it says it is. What is it? Do you think spending £230 is a good way to find out? That should be enough of a warning to save you wasting your hard earned cash. Maybe it isn't. I don't care if you buy it or not, but you did ask for opinions. Indeed I did, and again, just to clarify. I have no intentions of buying it. I just saw it and wondered what people's opinions were. I'm not disagreeing with anyone's posts. Just marshalling a debate on whether a copy is worth the asking price. If it's a copy does it mean it's a bad instrument? If it's a bad instrument does adding branding make it more or even less valuable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlloyd Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 42 minutes ago, Newfoundfreedom said: Indeed I did, and again, just to clarify. I have no intentions of buying it. I just saw it and wondered what people's opinions were. I'm not disagreeing with anyone's posts. Just marshalling a debate on whether a copy is worth the asking price. If it's a copy does it mean it's a bad instrument? If it's a bad instrument does adding branding make it more or even less valuable? It doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad instrument, but it certainly isn't of the quality that the person who applied the decals wanted people to believe it was. To play devil's advocate, it has some value. It's probably an OLP MM2... some of those are okay basses. Worth maybe £100 to £130 in good nick... which this isn't. The pickup, if it's an original EMG, is worth something. I'm wondering if there's also a half-decent aftermarket preamp in there. You could maybe squeeze £50 from that, but the rest of the bass isn't worth much as parts. Yes... putting a fake decal on any bass will devalue it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundfreedom Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 1 minute ago, dlloyd said: It doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad instrument, but it certainly isn't of the quality that the person who applied the decals wanted people to believe it was. To play devil's advocate, it has some value. It's probably an OLP MM2... some of those are okay basses. Worth maybe £100 to £130 in good nick... which this isn't. The pickup, if it's an original EMG, is worth something. I'm wondering if there's also a half-decent aftermarket preamp in there. You could maybe squeeze £50 from that, but the rest of the bass isn't worth much as parts. Yes... putting a fake decal on any bass will devalue it. Damn it! That's the last time I'm wearing my Rudolph Lauren shirt in public. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmachine2112 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Hiho I have a USA SUB bass got it new in 2003 still got it .It's the real deal apart from the industrial finish and slab body.Sounds the same as a classic when I A/B them through my own rig. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discreet Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 When is a Music Man not a Music Man? When he's Ed Sheeran? ...I'll get me coat. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goingdownslow Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 Looking for a cheap bass to use as the house bass at jam nights I bought a new Redwood Jazz Bass (Dawsons brand) for £99. After transforming it with a £5 headstock decal users have commented on how good it sounds and how nice it is to play, even saying it sounds better than the other Fenders that may be there on the night. And that's when I tell them what it is. Quote Yes... putting a fake decal on any bass will devalue it. I have been offered £5 over the current Dawsons price of £129. I have never owned or had any interest in owning a Fender bass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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