fleabag Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Yep, that would explain it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin7 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, fleabag said: Yep, that would explain it. It's too bad, too. Those seemed to be nice basses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fleabag Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 They remind me of something Fender-ish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin7 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Sometimes that can be a good thing, sometimes not. I'm not really much of a Fender fan, although Fender has proved itself time and again. Needless to say, that isn't something that can be said for Moniker now as it turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellzero Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 hours ago, Tubster said: Seems that she has achieved a great deal more than she set out to do or were her motives not as straightforward as we glean from the title? 1. How many of us squinted hard at the name on the headstock - interesting new bass? 2. Just enough controversial content to get people talking, arguing and sharing = more clicks 3. How many of us looked her up and checked out her credentials and videos? As to her tips, for her stated target audience, I personally thought she had some good ones. Anyway what are your 5 top “sound better” tips to beginning bass players who may be joining a band; perhaps you have some gems? 1. Practice 2. Listen 3. Communicate 4. Learn 5. Shut Up 'N' Play Yer Guitar © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Crikey! Judgemental much? It's a beginner's tutorial ffs! My only beef would be her use of the word 'intermediate' (which it clearly isn't). If you can already do the things on the video then it must be because you're a good enough player not to need the advice. No offence intended, but how experienced players could fail to spot that is not something I understand. /rant. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepurpleblob Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) I think it's all reasonable advice if a little oversimplified. It probably *will* help a lot of players to play better. My best bit of advice to myself is, "nobody got sacked for playing root notes in time". It's on that kind of level! ...and she's most probably a better player than me and has much nicer hair. Who am I to judge? 😄 Edited October 10, 2018 by thepurpleblob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) I actually think it's pretty interesting advice. I base this on teaching intermediate level students (let's say Grade 5 and above) and the issues she raises are pretty common things that bass players do. They'll focus on fills, embellishments and using the fragments of theory they know to construct overly complicated lines. It's probably a reaction to every video you see from someone like Scott (awesome player) who starts off with some noodling that's useful in about 0.00001% of real life bass situations. The open string thing seems weird, but when you play an open string you're not totally in control of the note. If someone is attacking a fretted note with a pick then an open string can jar a little. That's the only incidence it would make sense to prefer a fretted note, or if you're adding an embellishment to it. There's plenty of plain bad advice on the internet, but I wouldn't class this as such. When I was 15 and starting out, this would have helped. And we all need a reminder sometimes that we should focus on groove, not fills... Edited October 10, 2018 by Burns-bass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvo66 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I've watched it again, and there's some valued points, don't. Try run before you can walk scenario springs to mind, and I've seen a lot worse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lozkerr Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 3 hours ago, leftybassman392 said: My only beef would be her use of the word 'intermediate' (which it clearly isn't). Aye, I picked up on that too. I'm no Suzi Quatro, but I'm definitely a wee bit ahead of that. The first thing I thought was 'HTH do you play Living On A Prayer on a four-string without the open E?' Unless you detune, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) I must I agree with her about avoiding playing open strings, I do my best to avoid playing them if there is an alternative fretted position. Edited October 10, 2018 by steantval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visog Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 17 hours ago, project_c said: In all fairness everything she says applies to 99% of young players who are trying to learn to play. The advice she gives is for kids getting into rock bands, not 56 year old Level 42 fans who have been playing furious slap bass since the early 80s. It’s all about context. If your teenage kid was trying to get into a band with his mates for the first time, you’d probably give them similar advice: Keep it simple, focus on the root, don’t try to show off until you’ve nailed the basics. It’s pretty good advice actually. I say this as someone who plays jazz and spends most of his time avoiding root notes whilst noodling as far above the 12th fret as I can get. Her advice is not for me, or for experienced bass geek types in general, but it’s still good advice. I'm with Lee Van Cleef... also who is your average 16 year old newb, probably a higher proportion of woman than when we learnt, going to associated with? The lady in question who presents a pithy 'let's get to it' tutorial or a Basschatter male pedant who just make opinions, not helpful videos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil.c60 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) And so do I - unless the next note is either fretted on the same string or is played on the string below so that it naturally damps he open note. Reply to Stantval - Sorry, Visog's post got in between! Edited October 10, 2018 by phil.c60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Smalls Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, steantval said: I must I agree with her about avoiding playing open strings Depends entirely on context! I've got 3 different songs that rely on either open A or D string ringing to provide a drone to a high melody. As for an open E, it's the basis of most folks slap technique! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operative451 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Leonard Smalls said: ...... As for an open E, it's the basis of most folks slap technique! a very good reason to avoid open E.. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burns-bass Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, operative451 said: a very good reason to avoid open E.. Well played... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steantval Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Leonard Smalls said: Depends entirely on context! I've got 3 different songs that rely on either open A or D string ringing to provide a drone to a high melody. As for an open E, it's the basis of most folks slap technique! n/a for me, I don’t slap, not much call for it in classic rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 In his autobiography, Phil Lesh (bassist from the Grateful Dead, no less) says the only advice he was give when he first picked up a bass guitar was 'only play an open string if you really mean it". Judging from the countless hours I've spent listening to and trying to copy his bass playing, I'd say he took that advice seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Whilst not the worst thing I’ve seen, there’s nothing there as far as I can see. Don’t play open strings, always play the root note at the beginning, keep it simple. Great advice to someone who has never played an instrument but hardly inspirational pedagogy is it? Some of the played examples of what you should do don’t sound much cop to my ears. I’m also detecting more than a whiff of pretension. But then that’s YT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftybassman392 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2 hours ago, FDC484950 said: Whilst not the worst thing I’ve seen, there’s nothing there as far as I can see. Don’t play open strings, always play the root note at the beginning, keep it simple. Great advice to someone who has never played an instrument but hardly inspirational pedagogy is it? Some of the played examples of what you should do don’t sound much cop to my ears. I’m also detecting more than a whiff of pretension. But then that’s YT! Beginners don't need inspirational pedagogy: they need a few simple rules to get them started and on which they can build. Everybody has to start somewhere: very easy to forget when you've been doing it for a decade or three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 This may be HER approach to bass playing. But, to say that this is how it SHOULD be done is nonsense. I'm reminded of that idiom: Those who can, do - Those who can't, teach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevvo66 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 As long it's grooving, it's all good, I remember working with a guitarist who wasn't the best in theory or the like but man he'd hear something and he was on it and that's what it's all about is it not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnDave Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I really don't understand this craving for instructional videos and recommendations for lessons. I first picked up a bass in my early teens, in the 1970s. No such thing as an instructional video (pre video age!) and I've never had a bass lesson in my life. I'm still playing and not doing too bad a job. Seems to be a lack of self confidence on the part of beginners today, or a successful con trick by those who make money from providing lessons. Surely everything you need to know is in the music you listen to? Just play along until it sounds right. You can get all the theory you're like to need from a basic music theory book if you are prepared to use your brain and join few dots. Makes it much easier to remember if you've had to work things out than having it spoon fed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MoJo Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 On 09/10/2018 at 16:29, Hellzero said: I hope she'll never have to play some jazz or Klezmer music ! Here are the next 5 tips : "Always play in A on the E string, so remove the other strings !" - Check (though I haven't physically removed the strings, in my mind, they no longer exist) "Never play fretless bass !" - Check (tried once - useless - gave up) "Never learn theory !" - Check “Never learn articulation !" - Check "Never plug your bass as you are useless !" - Will do Looks like I'm good to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjones Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 She wrote this note, for the super advanced, freeform jazz, bass soloists out there in Youtubeland, who didn't agree with her video. This is it: ' 'Note from Yonit: Hey everyone! Thanks for watching the video Just wanted to make a few clarifications! * This video is for beginner / intermediate bass players * Obviously, there’s exception to all my tips (which are not rules!) but these tips should help you when playing with your band. Of course you can play open strings if you can mute them (which is a difficult technique to master if you’re a beginner), of course you can play fills that are well practiced, on time, from the bottom to the very top of your neck and so on. * Always play the root - in the beginning of the bar - you can obviously play any chord tone / mode tone you want after. But not straight at the top. We establish the root and then venture out. Of course you can play inversions but that changes the chord, and you probably should make that decision with your band-members. * I may have said ‘never’ and ‘always’ but this is really me just trying to make a point, don’t take it too literally fellas * This can be applied in many genres, but mostly for mainstream genres such as pop, folk, rock, funk etc. Yes, if you’re playing a progressive-jazz-fusion-hardcore-metal song this might not be the video for you. * Here’s a 6 tip for the brave ones who read all of this - make music to be happier and have fun with other human beings. That’s the point of everything, including this video Peace, love and many low frequencies, Yonit' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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