stewblack Posted November 12, 2018 Share Posted November 12, 2018 Guess most of you have seen this, but it's interesting if you haven't 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueMoon Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Yes....in the 60's she was behind many a great groove and is also a talented guitar player. One of my favourites is I'm A Believer (Monkees)....great line IMO. I guess it's no surprise that Macca rates her as one his great inspirations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 She's on so many seminal recordings that, either directly or indirectly, she has to be an influence on anyone who's picked up a bass since. She's on 2 of my favourite songs, guitar on You've Lost That Loving Feeling and bass on River Deep Mountain High. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 it's all in the fingers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCrane Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BlueMoon said: One of my favourites is I'm A Believer (Monkees)....great line IMO. Actually, that was Russ Savakus. You might be thinking of Daydream Believer. (Nope, that was Chip Douglas) Edited November 13, 2018 by MrCrane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulWarning Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 she did Last Train to Clarksville apparently, to me her bass lines seem to stand out more than others, probably because she used a pick, now where's that tin hat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 She's my favourite bass player, thanks for posting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHUFC BASS Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 There's a lot of controversy about her claiming to play a lot of the James Jameson lines on the Motown stuff. Dunno why she felt the need to do that as she's played on so many classic songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahpook Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, WHUFC BASS said: There's a lot of controversy about her claiming to play a lot of the James Jameson lines on the Motown stuff. Dunno why she felt the need to do that as she's played on so many classic songs. I've assumed that's more to do with the huge number of sessions she's played on, and a slightly failing memory, than an attempt to steal anyone's thunder. Edited November 13, 2018 by ahpook 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveK Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 hour ago, WHUFC BASS said: There's a lot of controversy about her claiming to play a lot of the James Jameson lines on the Motown stuff. Dunno why she felt the need to do that as she's played on so many classic songs. Artists would often record different versions of the same song, sometimes with different arrangements, sometimes with different musicians. I'm not overly familiar with Jameson's or Kaye's history, but it's quite probable that each would have been called in for different takes/versions of the same song. As time goes by, for some songs, even for the featured artist and producer, knowing exactly whose bass part ended up on the released version would be nigh on impossible to ascertain. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 6 hours ago, SteveK said: Artists would often record different versions of the same song, sometimes with different arrangements, sometimes with different musicians. I'm not overly familiar with Jameson's or Kaye's history, but it's quite probable that each would have been called in for different takes/versions of the same song. As time goes by, for some songs, even for the featured artist and producer, knowing exactly whose bass part ended up on the released version would be nigh on impossible to ascertain. Exactly. Do we know what version she was claiming? I think everyone knows she's not on the the Stevie Wonder song but she could easily have been on another version. Back in the 60's and 70's there were lots of versions of songs. Motown recorded some songs a dozen times. They also recorded in LA (CK did play on some of those recordings) and some of those tracks were shipped back to Detroit for overdubs and various parts to be rerecorded. In the end the water gets a little muddy. Jamerson himself claimed to have recorded Cool Jerk, when it was actually Bob Babbitt. And I saw Scott Edwards, on Talkbass, telling Lee Sklar off for claiming one of his tunes. A few years ago, US Session players started to get royalties for their old work, if they registered in time. Maybe this mix up came out of that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHUFC BASS Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 18 hours ago, SteveK said: Artists would often record different versions of the same song, sometimes with different arrangements, sometimes with different musicians. I'm not overly familiar with Jameson's or Kaye's history, but it's quite probable that each would have been called in for different takes/versions of the same song. As time goes by, for some songs, even for the featured artist and producer, knowing exactly whose bass part ended up on the released version would be nigh on impossible to ascertain. Would the basslines have been note for note on each song though? I find it hard to believe that Carol Kaye would play an identical bassline to Jameson and vice-versa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geek99 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Even Jameson and Babbitt disagreed on who’d played on certain tracks, and that when listening together on a juke box soon after. No one really knew, as even the notes that Motown kept were partial Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grahambythesea Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 She was part of the Wrecking Crew and as such played bass on the Beach Boys Pet Sounds. Her pick technique is very obvious on God Only Knows. I always thought it strange that she’s a pick player but stuck a great wedge of foam under the strings to dampen the sound down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_b Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 CK was a jazz guitarist, which accounts for the pick. She started on bass when a bass player failed to show up for a session so she played the studio bass. Back then most studio players would have used foam to even out the notes, damp the strings and take some dynamics out of the sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCrane Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Grahambythesea said: I always thought it strange that she’s a pick player but stuck a great wedge of foam under the strings to dampen the sound down. Not quite. She taped felt over the strings as she felt this worked better when using a pick. See tip 113 http://carolkaye.com/www/education/tips101.htm and tip 100 here https://www.carolkaye.com/www/education/tips51.htm 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewblack Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 23 hours ago, MrCrane said: Not quite. She taped felt over the strings as she felt this worked better when using a pick. See tip 113 http://carolkaye.com/www/education/tips101.htm and tip 100 here https://www.carolkaye.com/www/education/tips51.htm Thank you so much for sharing these links. What fascinating reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josie Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 She's on Twitter: @OKAY44Time Doesn't post often, but always worthwhile. All sorts of interesting stuff on her website, thank you @MrCrane ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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