Jump to content
Why become a member? ×

Fake Jazz bass


Roger2611

Recommended Posts

It is a cheap Japanese copy, possibly a Hondo as the neck plate is smaller than a Fender one, it has had a truss rod cover on it and the bridge has screws at the front so it is definitely a low budget Japanese instrument and in it's current condition probably only worth a tenth of what it has been bid to.

I have messaged the seller, his feedback score suggests he has had issues before, I will see if I get a response and if not I will report it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 minutes ago, Roger2611 said:

It is a cheap Japanese copy, possibly a Hondo as the neck plate is smaller than a Fender one, it has had a truss rod cover on it and the bridge has screws at the front so it is definitely a low budget Japanese instrument and in it's current condition probably only worth a tenth of what it has been bid to.

I have messaged the seller, his feedback score suggests he has had issues before, I will see if I get a response and if not I will report it.

Yeah definitely now you’ve pointed it out 👍 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Roger2611 said:

It is a cheap Japanese copy, possibly a Hondo as the neck plate is smaller than a Fender one, it has had a truss rod cover on it and the bridge has screws at the front so it is definitely a low budget Japanese instrument and in it's current condition probably only worth a tenth of what it has been bid to.

I have messaged the seller, his feedback score suggests he has had issues before, I will see if I get a response and if not I will report it.

It's a Japanese copy  - an old one, but actually not a particularly cheap or low-quality one.

It's a Fujigen Gakki-built model 2365B, which would have likely been sold badged as Antoria, but might possibly have been Ibanez. This can be ID'd with a pretty high degree of certainty by the 3-part quartersawn neck construction and the neckplate, which has the MIJ stamp on the lower-half, as did all Fujigens from this era. The full-size tunes (Gotohs) point to Fujigen too.

10.jpg

Sadly it's a wreck in its present state - usually when these get repainted, it's over the original poly 'burst, but the finishhas been stripped from this one. In this condition it's a sub-£50 project & fingers crossed the truss rod's not bu99ered - too bad people don't Google what a Fender should look like before they bid!

Btw @Roger2611 - you won't find a Hondo Jazz with MIJ on the neckplate - because they weren't!

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

On 09-Dec-18 at 14:39:26 GMT, seller added the following information:

 

HI I HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS IS NOT A FENDER GUITAR BY 2 PEOPLE AND I HAVE HAD 5 BUY IT NOW REQUESTS FROM OTHER PEOPLE 

 
I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GUITARS SO TO MAKE EVERYONE AWARE THIS IS BEING SOLD AS A GUITAR FOR TLC AND NOT A GAURANTEED FENDER

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Bassassin said:

It's a Japanese copy  - an old one, but actually not a particularly cheap or low-quality one.

It's a Fujigen Gakki-built model 2365B, which would have likely been sold badged as Antoria, but might possibly have been Ibanez. This can be ID'd with a pretty high degree of certainty by the 3-part quartersawn neck construction and the neckplate, which has the MIJ stamp on the lower-half, as did all Fujigens from this era. The full-size tunes (Gotohs) point to Fujigen too.

10.jpg

Sadly it's a wreck in its present state - usually when these get repainted, it's over the original poly 'burst, but the finishhas been stripped from this one. In this condition it's a sub-£50 project & fingers crossed the truss rod's not bu99ered - too bad people don't Google what a Fender should look like before they bid!

Btw @Roger2611 - you won't find a Hondo Jazz with MIJ on the neckplate - because they weren't!

It’s lovely to see an expert at work. Genius.

  • Like 3
Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 hours ago, Bassassin said:

It's a Japanese copy  - an old one, but actually not a particularly cheap or low-quality one.

It's a Fujigen Gakki-built model 2365B, which would have likely been sold badged as Antoria, but might possibly have been Ibanez. This can be ID'd with a pretty high degree of certainty by the 3-part quartersawn neck construction and the neckplate, which has the MIJ stamp on the lower-half, as did all Fujigens from this era. The full-size tunes (Gotohs) point to Fujigen too.

10.jpg

Sadly it's a wreck in its present state - usually when these get repainted, it's over the original poly 'burst, but the finishhas been stripped from this one. In this condition it's a sub-£50 project & fingers crossed the truss rod's not bu99ered - too bad people don't Google what a Fender should look like before they bid!

Btw @Roger2611 - you won't find a Hondo Jazz with MIJ on the neckplate - because they weren't!

I will certainly bow to your greater knowledge on these basses, one query you say the Hondo's would not have a MIJ neckplate, I had a Hondo Precision with the thinner MIJ neckplate on it? was it only Jazzes that were not made in Japan or not made at all?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Roger2611 said:

I will certainly bow to your greater knowledge on these basses, one query you say the Hondo's would not have a MIJ neckplate, I had a Hondo Precision with the thinner MIJ neckplate on it? was it only Jazzes that were not made in Japan or not made at all?

You 100% sure it was a Hondo? The 70s copies were made in Korea, by Samick - these all had blank neckplates & weren't great quality. J copies seem to be pretty uncommon compared to Ps but they would've been MIK too.

Some later Hondos were MIJ, original designs and some better-quality copies in the Professional & Revival series. These were early 80s (& possibly very late 70s) and probably wouldn't have had Fender-style headstocks. I've seen Precisions but never a J in these ranges. Would assume they probably made them though.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

19 hours ago, Bassassin said:

You 100% sure it was a Hondo? The 70s copies were made in Korea, by Samick - these all had blank neckplates & weren't great quality. J copies seem to be pretty uncommon compared to Ps but they would've been MIK too.

Some later Hondos were MIJ, original designs and some better-quality copies in the Professional & Revival series. These were early 80s (& possibly very late 70s) and probably wouldn't have had Fender-style headstocks. I've seen Precisions but never a J in these ranges. Would assume they probably made them though.

 

Yeah 100% sure it was a Hondo as I removed the decal from the headstock and replaced it with a Fender one, I had the frets removed as it was largely unplayable when I got it, then realised I didn't like the fact it weighed about 12 lbs so disposed of it for next to nothing, I wonder if it could have been a Korean one which had gained a MIJ neck plate as I assume Hondo stayed with the smaller neck plate across build platforms? It's a shame as I had a load of images of it including the neck plate but lost them when an old hard drive gave up the ghost! 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I’ve sent them this message -

 

This has been listed before it is a cheap Japanese copy from the 70s not a 60s Fender. There are many identifying features to identify a genuine Fender, pictures are easily found on the internet. Compare your bass to these and you will see that this is not the genuine article. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, Roger2611 said:

I have reported it again today

Me too but it’s not been pulled by eBay. In fact I think he may have relisted it himself and once again there are a lot of bids.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273610910548

Very annoying as I’ve emailed him and he said he wasn’t a guitar expert but would wait to see what other people thought before doing anything. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...